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Re: Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by cutting power

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Post by reducesuffering » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 10:34 PM UTC

Alupis wrote: post #191

dillondoyle wrote: post #168

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It's hard to differentiate an actual threat though. Trump is an example here who also stated he intended to use nuclear weapons, often times in stupidly ignorant ways. I think there are parallels with Iran, in that a lot of BS & insane rhetorical bluster we hear(d) feed the base so they can maintain power. They need to keep the religious base flustered and angry at an enemy to maintain their own power.

Trump said he'd use nuclear weapons? I must have missed this, source?

While Trump's rhetoric about "fire and fury" and retaliation against other countries was insane for a US President, he never explicitly said anything about nuclear and it's a grasp for others to imply he meant that.

Re: Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by cutting power

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Post by tablespoon » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 10:38 PM UTC

FredPret wrote: post #134

cyberscientist wrote: post #62

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There is also a very deep dissatisfaction towards the government amongst people.

Imagine them hiring dozens of resentful, rebellious teens to watch the dials of their budding nuclear programme. It’s like something from Futurama

> Imagine them hiring dozens of resentful, rebellious teens to watch the dials of their budding nuclear programme. It’s like something from Futurama

So the idea might not work for Iran, but it probably would for North Korea.

Re: Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by cutting power

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Post by cyberscientist » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 10:49 PM UTC

hpcjoe wrote: post #239

cyberscientist wrote: post #222

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So Iran SAYS "Israel should be wiped out of the map", and that makes all ACTIONS (including boarder line terrorism) by Israel justified. Our way of buying into narratives and pushing them allows justifications for wars so easy. Just look at Iraq war. Narrative build and bought by us was that Sadam is bad and has bar weapons so let's go to war. Again I'm not defending Iran. In fact I really hate the regime. I'm just s…

As I noted, it's not what each say. It's what they do. If you find yourself arguing against the entity that is the victim of the aggressor entity, I think you have some deep internal reflecting to do. Because such a position, is advocating against defending against actual attacks. Which the aggressor entity has done, in the open, through proxies, as well as in secret. Israel is not the aggressor entity. If this is wh…

I bet you're no where to be found when all this "Israel is the victim, Iran is the aggressor" narrative turns out to be bs. Just like all those Iraq war supports have disappeared. Even fox news back peddles now. None of them like to even admit they supported the war. Israel engages in as much despicable behaviour as Iran does. Only you paint Israel's actions as justified because it's Israel.

Once again Iranian regime is god awful, this is not a defence of them. My point is, stop buying into narratives that governments build.

It's called propaganda.

Re: Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by cutting power

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Post by nitrogen » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 10:50 PM UTC

monocasa wrote: post #187

nitrogen wrote: post #177

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But if that GPIO triggers an interrupt, you might be able to get the processor to do interesting things by oscillating the signal faster than the processor can disable interrupts and run the ISR.

That's almost always explicitly handled for line glitch reasons.

Haven't there been mod chips for consoles that worked by glitching the lines at just the right time?

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Post by cyberscientist » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 10:52 PM UTC

nullserver wrote: post #196

dagenleg wrote: post #147

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What about the assassinations of Iranian scientists? Are they also "military" targets?

Yes absolutely.

Not if Iran does it. If they do it, it's a cowardly act of terrorism.

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Post by knowaveragejoe » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 10:57 PM UTC

whimsicalism wrote: post #249

mamon wrote: post #174

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If one person thinks you're an asshole they might simply be wrong about you. If everyone in the world thinks you're an asshole then you, almost by definiton, are one. There's a reason why there's a separate word in most languages for "anti-semitism" but not for "anti-italianism" or "anti-brasilianism".

Eesh, I am not a fan of the modern Israeli state, which I consider to be pseudo-apartheid, but this is straight up anti-semitism. Surprised to see that here.

I'm unfortunately not surprised - there is a strange "intellectual dark web" bent among the HN crowd, despite it being transparently pseudo-intellectual garbage.

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Post by ars » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 10:59 PM UTC

pcbro141 wrote: post #192

ars wrote: post #182

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Nuclear scientists are not civilians, unless their work is entirely theoretical, without connection to actually building something. > Would it be acceptable for Iran to assassinate Israeli nuclear scientists in Israel? Acceptable? No. Terrorism? Also no. A military attack is a thing you know. Not everything is terrorism.

I think it's a little murky given that they're not officially at war. Anti-terrorism conventions define terrorism as explicitly including unlawful killings with the intent to intimidate a population, or to compel a government or an international organization to do or to abstain from doing any act.

Terrorism always involves an attack on civilians. An attack on a military facility could be an act of war, but never terrorism.

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Post by Alupis » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 11:05 PM UTC

whimsicalism wrote: post #242

Alupis wrote: post #211

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> Israel has kidnapped tourists before. Vanunu is still trapped in Israel. Mordechai Vanunu? His situation is quite a bit different than kidnapping a tourist that literally has done nothing to Iran except show up - or a freight ship traversing international waters. Vanunu leaked a ton of nuclear secrets about Israel and fled - ie, he was no tourist and your point makes no sense. Whataboutism isn't a good reason to ex…

He was a tourist in Italy when he was abducted.

And Italy abducted him? I do not follow your point...

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Post by pcbro141 » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 11:14 PM UTC

ars wrote: post #257

pcbro141 wrote: post #192

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I think it's a little murky given that they're not officially at war. Anti-terrorism conventions define terrorism as explicitly including unlawful killings with the intent to intimidate a population, or to compel a government or an international organization to do or to abstain from doing any act.

Terrorism always involves an attack on civilians. An attack on a military facility could be an act of war, but never terrorism.

The scientist I'm referring to (Mohsen Fakhrizadeh) was not killed as part of a legitimate strike on a military facility, he was killed in his car with his wife sitting in the seat next to him, on a road with many civilians around.

I am doubtful that Iranian agents doing these same actions to scientists in the US or Israel on the street would be considered a legitimate military action and not terrorism.

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Post by bobthepanda » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 11:14 PM UTC

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #201

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If the job market is more saturated, there’s simply fewer people available to do bullshit work, at the necessary bullshit cost. Resources would be naturally allocated to more valuable efforts, and lured by better wages, by the market. As a general rule, the richer the country, the more expensive humans are, and the commodities become cheaper (relative to income) In the US, I can’t afford a full time maid. In India, I…

I understand your point, but how does minimum wage for unskilled workers factor? For example, in the US you could pay some $8/hour to 500 teenagers to achieve the same net result. No?

$8/hr gets pretty expensive pretty quick.

It‘s why, for example, middle class households in the US don‘t have live in maids, because rising living standards made that unaffordable at a middle class income level.