Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by cutting power

Post by Alupis » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 8:54 PM UTC

dillondoyle wrote: post #168

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> But sadly the US has not been taking a leadership role recently. I'd wager the US will dismantle it's nuclear weapons the day other nations stop seeking to produce nuclear weapons. ie, this will never happen. The US, China, Russia, India, UK, etc having nuclear weapons is a lot less of a threat to global security than a nation-state such as Iran, which vows to destroy it's surrounding nations every chance it gets.…

It's hard to differentiate an actual threat though. Trump is an example here who also stated he intended to use nuclear weapons, often times in stupidly ignorant ways. I think there are parallels with Iran, in that a lot of BS & insane rhetorical bluster we hear(d) feed the base so they can maintain power. They need to keep the religious base flustered and angry at an enemy to maintain their own power.

Post by whimsicalism » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 8:55 PM UTC

recuter wrote: post #188

aborsy wrote: post #178

Frankly, Israel needs to stop waging these wars in the Middle East. Apart from moral issues, they impact everyone. The refugee crisis is affecting us Europeans. We paid the cost for US wars. JCPA was working, except for a small group that benefit from its cancellation. Iran agreed to remove its uranium under strict checks and verifications. Why killing it?

Gosh, well if it is effecting Europeans, dear oh dear.. The ME is just this peaceful relaxed place that wouldn't have any conflicts if it weren't for Israel blowing up Iranian centrifuges whose sole purpose is the fabrication of nuclear weapons, eh? Lets just give nukes to Iran and Iraq and Syria (the later two Israel was similarly criticized for blowing up in previous decades, with Iran cheering Israel on in the 90s…

Post by dmurray » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 8:55 PM UTC

fastball wrote: post #64

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Let's be honest though, had Iran carried out such attack we would have called it a terrorist attack. I know you're about to go on about how awful Iranian regime is and they SAY they want Israel gone. But remember, Israel actually DOES carry out associations.

Huh? I don't know how an attack on a military base could be less of a terrorist attack.

Post by whimsicalism » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 9:00 PM UTC

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Sorry, what was this about "not being governed by religious law"? > full rights for women, minorities, and LGBTQ So not full rights for religious minorities. Moreover, conversion is quite difficult and the process is made much easier if you have a parent who is Jewish (which generally forms an ethnic group). Only recently were non-Orthodox conversions recognized for this purpose: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/01/wo…

It's important for people to understand that Judaism is a minority religion that has been historically persecuted. There is nothing wrong with working to preserve the tradition and culture, and if it ends in a small amount of ethnic homogeneity then it has to be accepted as necessary, especially since "Jewish" is both a religion and an ethnicity, so in the current historical context failing to preserve Judaism means…

Post by shagmin » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 9:02 PM UTC

jariel wrote: post #102

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If the US genuinely wanted to prevent Iranian weapons research, they wouldn't have simply walked away from the deal regulating it. The Trump administrations goals were complicated (and largely self-contradictory, and in most cases just poorly-informed), but they were not motivated by a practical desire to prevent proliferation. This is what everyone knew was going to happen. The interesting question is if "this" (an…

"they wouldn't have simply walked away from the deal regulating it." The deal did not 'regulate' Iran - is the argument being made. Many people feel that the oversight requirements were not stringent enough, and that Iran would effectively pursue nukes along with economic liberalism.