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Re: System76 Developing “Cosmic” Desktop Environment

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Post by wayneftw » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 8:39 PM UTC

rvz wrote: post #25

spicybright wrote: post #2

Why another WM to further divide up dev time for desktop environments. I'm not say people shouldn't make what they want, but I think they'd meet their goals a lot easier contributing to an existing project instead of forking.

That's the Linux desktop ecosystem. Another window manager that some users will use and will later complain that their browser isn't working with it or it crashes with etc Wayland, X11, Yet another Linux app or even Z shell, etc. Sometimes it's only 'fun' swapping in alternatives of alternative system components, until you actually need to get work done. Then it must not get in the way of the user. I prefer the deskt…

> I prefer the desktop environment of 'It just works' and 'If it ain't broke don't fix it'. It's called macOS.

Pffft. No it's called XFCE. My Macs are broken way more often by updates and are way less compatible with my hardware than anything else in my house. They really don't just work... They're dead ass not even half as stable as Manjaro.

Re: System76 Developing “Cosmic” Desktop Environment

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Post by ruph123 » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 8:40 PM UTC

tekromancr wrote: post #4

Things System 76 does: maintain their own os distro, desktop environment, coreboot fork, system firmware Things System 76 refuses to do: usbc PD I say this as a very happy S76 customer

> Things System 76 refuses to do: usbc PD

And: LVFS

Re: System76 Developing “Cosmic” Desktop Environment

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Post by rubyist5eva » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 8:40 PM UTC

Is this built as a Gnome Shell Extension? Would love to be able to just pop this into my shell on OpenSuse without having to change to an Ubuntu based distribution.

Also, what are they going to do once nobody is supporting Gnome 3.38 anymore, porting this to Gnome 40+ seems like it's going to be a pain in the ass. Hopefully it doesn't necessitate a Gnome Shell fork...

Re: System76 Developing “Cosmic” Desktop Environment

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Post by bmurphy1976 » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 8:41 PM UTC

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #15

When Ubuntu dropped the hammer on Gnome2, I saw Unity desktop and was kinda... ewwww. And next I have installed Gnome 3. After 15 minutes with it I decided that Unity is actually not that bad , so I switched to it. In the following years Unity kinda grew on me, so I'm sad that it was axed and now everyone use this Gnome3 abomination. It is not as bad as it was five years before, but loss of top menu and general prefe…

I never liked Gnome3 and I never liked Unity. I have however been more than happy with XFCE distros. Simple task bar, simple menu, doesn't waste space and can look quite nice if a little attention is given to design. If you are unsatisfied with the major DEs it's worth at least trying.

Re: System76 Developing “Cosmic” Desktop Environment

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Post by dagenleg » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 8:42 PM UTC

O_H_E wrote: post #21

justaguy88 wrote: post #9

What's their strategy here? Do they hope that their window manager will drive hardware sales?

Well, their additions to Gnome in PopOS have been very well received. So..maybe. The "power user" space (especially the non-cli oriented one) is really lacking out-of-the-box solutions rn. It wouldn't be the first time tailored software drove hardware sales.

I am genuinely wondering how big is the intersection between "non-cli users" and "power users" on Linux

Re: System76 Developing “Cosmic” Desktop Environment

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Post by mixedCase » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 8:43 PM UTC

mulmen wrote: post #22

justaguy88 wrote: post #9

What's their strategy here? Do they hope that their window manager will drive hardware sales?

Yes? The lack of a workable window manager is one of the biggest things that prevents me from using a Linux laptop as a daily driver. It makes sense that System76 would work toward a serviceable Linux desktop OS. For the same reason it makes sense that Apple develops MacOS but charges no license fees.

"a workable window manager" sounds to me like you just mean "I want a macOS clone and I don't want to learn anything else even if it's more efficient". If I got it wrong, I'd recommend sway or any other tiling wm that adapts perfectly to laptop limitations of 1 screen and no mouse included.

Re: System76 Developing “Cosmic” Desktop Environment

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Post by iudqnolq » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 8:43 PM UTC

fullstop wrote: post #54

iudqnolq wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have one, and it doesn't seem to work. I haven't filed a ticket though, as I don't really care. I just tried a usb-c pd compatible cable, although I'm not certain the brick that connects the cable to the wall is pd compatible. Usb c, eurgh, why do I have to think about this sort of thing.

It works. I use this brick: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B083ZBXXN5

Good to know. I use https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078S3M2NX/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glc_...

Re: System76 Developing “Cosmic” Desktop Environment

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Post by znpy » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 8:43 PM UTC

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #15

When Ubuntu dropped the hammer on Gnome2, I saw Unity desktop and was kinda... ewwww. And next I have installed Gnome 3. After 15 minutes with it I decided that Unity is actually not that bad , so I switched to it. In the following years Unity kinda grew on me, so I'm sad that it was axed and now everyone use this Gnome3 abomination. It is not as bad as it was five years before, but loss of top menu and general prefe…

I have found peace of mind using XFCE :)

Re: System76 Developing “Cosmic” Desktop Environment

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Post by approxim8ion » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 8:44 PM UTC

rvz wrote: post #25

spicybright wrote: post #2

Why another WM to further divide up dev time for desktop environments. I'm not say people shouldn't make what they want, but I think they'd meet their goals a lot easier contributing to an existing project instead of forking.

That's the Linux desktop ecosystem. Another window manager that some users will use and will later complain that their browser isn't working with it or it crashes with etc Wayland, X11, Yet another Linux app or even Z shell, etc. Sometimes it's only 'fun' swapping in alternatives of alternative system components, until you actually need to get work done. Then it must not get in the way of the user. I prefer the deskt…

That's your preference. But I would certainly be fuming if the only option on Linux was, say, GNOME. The workflow doesn't agree with me and neither do some of their UI choices. Thankfully, the "Linux desktop ecosystem" has afforded me a number of options that I much enjoy using.

Re: System76 Developing “Cosmic” Desktop Environment

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Post by 867-5309 » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 8:45 PM UTC

varispeed wrote: post #34

I wish they had a laptop with a latest and top AMD, 14" 4K IPS matte panel, programmers friendly keyboard (pg up/down home end on dedicated keys at least), expandable RAM and nvme drive, silent fans and metal chassis and a Linux support. Less important physical camera and wi-fi cut off switch. If there was an ARM chip with comparable performance to M1 I would consider it too if it was running Linux. After watching th…

4K on a 14".. what is the use case for that? unless you have some hybrid long-short sightedness (d)efficiency, use your laptop as a chesttop, or want quadruple the pixels for half the battery life I really can't see any benefit