Is Russia going to war with Ukraine and other questions • Hacker News Board

Re: Is Russia going to war with Ukraine and other questions

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Post by partiallypro » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 4:36 PM UTC

ivanivanovich wrote: post #25

dandanua wrote: post #22

I can't understand how some smart people still sympathize Russia and say it acts only for defense. Russia has made the first annexation in Europe since WW2 and effectively control another part of Ukraine. Right now it looks like Russian logic is that every free person in the world is a potential threat to Russia. Because threat is anything that you don't control.

Did the people of Crimea want to be in Russia or the Ukraine?

Many Germans in the Sudetenland were happy to become part of Germany in WW2, that doesn't mean anything. That was one of Hitler's excuses for invading and annexing early on. He took it too far (in the eyes of the allies) when he invaded Poland, though the Polish Corridor was formerly German as well.

Re: Is Russia going to war with Ukraine and other questions

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Post by kvgr » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 4:37 PM UTC

throwawayay02 wrote: post #29

kvgr wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is their territory. Occupied by Russia. Ilegally. Period.

It is managed by Russia so it is Russia, now. The same way Ireland one day was administered from London and now is not (excl. Northern Ireland). The rest is emotional talk.

The difference is that the while world on the fact that Ireland is self governed. Almost no one agrees that Criema is Russian.

Re: Is Russia going to war with Ukraine and other questions

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Post by drran » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 4:38 PM UTC

Glavnokoman wrote: post #42

drran wrote: post #23

After 7 years of war with Ukraine, Russians are preparing to war with Ukraine.

Goood! Now you noticed that the article is at least partially a bullshit. But I wonder what conclusions you'll make?

RF is out of money, runway is too short, crash will happen soon. Germany will not be able to help RF.

Re: Is Russia going to war with Ukraine and other questions

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Post by ceilingcorner » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 4:38 PM UTC

Mr Kuleba recalled that in 2014 there was a Russian plan to split Ukraine and create an entity called "Novorossiya" (New Russia) - a plan foiled by Ukraine's armed forces.

Not commenting on Russia vs. Ukraine here, but I wanted to point out this somewhat misleading line. Novorossiya is the name of that historical region going back to the 1700s. The way it's written by the BBC, it sounds like Russia is just inventing their own new entity from nothing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novorossiya

Re: Is Russia going to war with Ukraine and other questions

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Post by Merem » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 4:38 PM UTC

dandanua wrote: post #22

I can't understand how some smart people still sympathize Russia and say it acts only for defense. Russia has made the first annexation in Europe since WW2 and effectively control another part of Ukraine. Right now it looks like Russian logic is that every free person in the world is a potential threat to Russia. Because threat is anything that you don't control.

"Right now it looks like Russian logic is that every free person in the world is a potential threat to Russia. Because threat is anything that you don't control."

Don't you mean "American logic"? If not, have you looked at a political and military map in the last couple of years, as well as paid attention to the changes?

Re: Is Russia going to war with Ukraine and other questions

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Post by vbezhenar » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 4:39 PM UTC

kvgr wrote: post #50

vbezhenar wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's not, just like there's not any presumption that BBC reports about Russian forces are not lying. So one should weight all the information and choose which one to believe. I expressed my point of view which might be wrong. There's absolutely no reason right now for Russia to invade Ukraine. They had plenty of time before. They have to finish Nord Stream 2, so they absolutely don't want to impose any additional…

Do you think Zelensky is so stupid to star the war with Russia just because he is told to(no reason to believe this, probably russian propaganda again). He would end up like arab countries when they tried to destroy Israel... stub of state left. The reason is probably not war but russia alwyas has some reasons to send troops. Invade something here. Cause fog of war there. And do some other stuff. Maybe they are tryin…

As I already said, I don't think that Zelensky will start the war. He's just doing his thing and Russia's doing theirs thing and that's all. He could do that if NATO would support him with army, but they did not support him for obvious reasons and that's about it.

Re: Is Russia going to war with Ukraine and other questions

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Post by kvgr » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 4:39 PM UTC

ivanivanovich wrote: post #25

dandanua wrote: post #22

I can't understand how some smart people still sympathize Russia and say it acts only for defense. Russia has made the first annexation in Europe since WW2 and effectively control another part of Ukraine. Right now it looks like Russian logic is that every free person in the world is a potential threat to Russia. Because threat is anything that you don't control.

Did the people of Crimea want to be in Russia or the Ukraine?

If 55% wanted what about the 45%?

Re: Is Russia going to war with Ukraine and other questions

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Post by Glavnokoman » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 4:40 PM UTC

fighterpilot wrote: post #28

ivanivanovich wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did the people of Crimea want to be in Russia or the Ukraine?

What's the answer to this question?

If you really want to know just go there and ask around. But make sure you do not use your google account or log in to github while there.

Re: Is Russia going to war with Ukraine and other questions

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Post by tguvot » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 4:41 PM UTC

arithmomachist wrote: post #39

_xnmw wrote: post #9

Canadian here on the ground in Ukraine, on the Eastern side (Kharkiv). The situation is pretty serious as everyone’s talking about war, and I personally am stocking up on non-perishable food items. The prevailing opinion seems to be that Russia is just flexing muscles, but I personally believe a full scale invasion is in the works. The idea that Putin is trying to extract concessions doesn’t make sense to me, because…

Haven't the Ukrainians diverted important rivers upstream on Crimea? Undoing that could be the concession Putin is hoping for.

no. they did block water in artificial canal.

Re: Is Russia going to war with Ukraine and other questions

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Post by azangru » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 4:41 PM UTC

vbezhenar wrote: post #36

kvgr wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any presumption that Russia politicians are not lying? They are the spokesperson of propaganda.

There's not, just like there's not any presumption that BBC reports about Russian forces are not lying. So one should weight all the information and choose which one to believe. I expressed my point of view which might be wrong. There's absolutely no reason right now for Russia to invade Ukraine. They had plenty of time before. They have to finish Nord Stream 2, so they absolutely don't want to impose any additional…

> US ... commanded Zelensky to start a war

Do you think the US has such influence over _any_ country to command it to go to war with another country?

> They have to finish Nord Stream 2, so they absolutely don't want to impose any additional sanctions on themselves.

One would think so, yes; but on the other hand, hasn't Russia annoyed the Western world enough over the last 6-7 years, with Syria, Skripal, or Navalny, despite its obvious need to finish Nord Stream?