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China is betting that the West is in irreversible decline

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Re: China is betting that the West is in irreversible decline

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post #38

lol - they aren't just betting - they are aiding and abetting through their sycophants in the media, academia and amazingly big business too. While we argue about right/left/dem/republican they continue to divide and conquer through attrition. And we are letting it happen right under our collective noses.

Yeah, as far as I can see, they're funding it. Pretty successfully.

Re: China is betting that the West is in irreversible decline

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That's ridiculous.China is the one in irreversible decline. Most people in the West get to enjoy freedom and access to utilities money cant buy in China. 1) For once most people in the west have access to safe and good tap water.Chinese urban dwellers dont. 2) Most people in the west live in places with significantly better air quality than chinese. 3) Most people in the west get to enjoy freedoms chinese cant even t…

This is factually untrue.

By pretty much every imaginable metric China has improved for nearly everyone (in China) for the past 50 years. Is this also true in the USA?

I don't think China is superior to the USA, but to say China is in a "irreversible decline" is ridiculous.

https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/ce/celt/eng/jmgx/jjxs/t124869.htm

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/china-economic-growth-histo...

https://www.cfr.org/timeline/us-relations-china

Re: China is betting that the West is in irreversible decline

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That's ridiculous.China is the one in irreversible decline. Most people in the West get to enjoy freedom and access to utilities money cant buy in China. 1) For once most people in the west have access to safe and good tap water.Chinese urban dwellers dont. 2) Most people in the west live in places with significantly better air quality than chinese. 3) Most people in the west get to enjoy freedoms chinese cant even t…

It is my impression, given the repressive approaches taken in Hong Kong and Tiananmen, that any aggrieved group in China may have great difficulty communicating views in an efficacious way.

Re: China is betting that the West is in irreversible decline

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If you post paywalled articles we get a paywalled internet. Stop posting them.

If you don't pay people for writing, writers will find other ways to get paid which runs the risk of their writing being tainted/biased by their monetization method (i.e. their writing just becomes marketing).

Re: China is betting that the West is in irreversible decline

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They are probably not wrong. When you look at the infighting within the US that is front page news every day...the decline is in full swing. People care less about how to actually improve the country than they do about trying to hold entire professions accountable for the actions of a few (not just cops)...then we are focused on the wrong things. Spending hundreds of days protesting something instead of putting that…

> so far in 2021 there have been more homicides in Portland than there were in 2017 and 2018 and we are on track for over 100 homicides this year Out of curiosity, have any other items than "defund the police" happened in, say, March 2020 through the present, that might've affected crime rates?

Yes, the gun violence reduction team was disbanded. Since then the number of shootings has skyrocketed. Police are in such disarray and completely disrespected that they don't even go into certain neighborhoods anymore.

Re: China is betting that the West is in irreversible decline

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That's ridiculous.China is the one in irreversible decline. Most people in the West get to enjoy freedom and access to utilities money cant buy in China. 1) For once most people in the west have access to safe and good tap water.Chinese urban dwellers dont. 2) Most people in the west live in places with significantly better air quality than chinese. 3) Most people in the west get to enjoy freedoms chinese cant even t…

>Chinese middle class will demand the same standard of living like people in the West

Will they? As far as I know censorship has been amazingly successful

Re: China is betting that the West is in irreversible decline

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West in decline? This was predicted back in '18 when Spengler published his famous book, "The Decline of the West". Oh wait, that was 1918.

The "west" faces a relative decline, which is something to celebrate.* And I can hardly blame the Chinese government for taking an assertive position or for capitalizing on weaknesses in their perceived adversaries. But China faces some structural problems just at the time when the western powers are starting to reevaluate some fundamental assumptions of the last 40 and 75 years.

All around this sounds like a net good all around. Yes, even the repressive activities of the Chinese government I believe will moderate, as the US has become less thrusting in its own imperialism.

* Edit: I say this as someone born in the "west", living in the USA right now. Too much imbalance leads to stagnation, both in company policies (i.e. corporate monopolies) and geopolitics.

Re: China is betting that the West is in irreversible decline

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Why did the US let its infrastructure get to such a bad state? And why are there so many dilapidated neighborhoods and literally crumbling schools?

The US is filthy rich, couldn't they have fixed these things decades ago? Just spend hundreds of billions investing in neighborhoods that have historically been intentionally left to rot?

Is it just disdain for the people who live in the crumbling areas? Serious question.

I see a lot of people lately say 'progressive woke politics' is the reason the US is declining with poor infrastructure, lack of universal healthcare, etc, but aren't progressives generally in favor of universal healthcare and improving infrastructure and other spending to improve quality of life?

Re: China is betting that the West is in irreversible decline

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post #15

The west is in decline because progressive values don't promote strength. They focus on class and are inherently divisive. Ironically, they only blossom in strong societies. The decline will allow other societies with a more conservative philosophy to take over and it will be their turn in a few centuries to succumb to the same tragedy. The baizuo tragedy.

Though the silver lining for America as an economic power is that, at least for now, identity wokeism seems to have displaced socialism as the main outlet for progressive energy. So we might actually avoid economic decline as long as big businesses virtue signal enough about supporting sex changes for children. That future sucks too, but at least we might not be poor.
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