My frustration is for the stupid people in the GCC mailing list who think that those individuals are bigger than the ideological cause.
They even started contemplating that GCC should fork away from FSF.
Statement of FSF board on election of Richard Stallman
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Re: Statement of FSF board on election of Richard Stallman
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
He always said he was different. His statement doesn't evince any new understanding. He portrays himself as willing to learn. People who worked with him have different stories.[1] [1] http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2019/10/15/fsf-rms.html
This is a pretty callous and uncharitable dismissal of rms' message. Everybody can better themselves despite what their peers might believe.
His peers don't say he can't better himself. They say he resists it extraordinarily strongly.
Feeling more empathy for people who deal with him isn't callous.
Re: Statement of FSF board on election of Richard Stallman
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
Am I the only one who simply doesn't care? The purpose of the FSF isn't protecting children. It's the promotion of free software. Some tone-deaf words by RMS are only even relevant because of the prevalence of cancel culture and the cult of wokeism. Software will still need to be free after the fad cult of wokeism has been left behind. What the media claimed was Stallman defended Epstein. That isn't true. The whole t…
> The purpose of the FSF isn't protecting children The purpose of FSF and RMS as a spokeperson/leader is to represent a movement and the people behind it. You cannot represent *me* if you: - make all sort of "weird" remarks about age of consent - brush off any sincere question or constructive criticism for decades - systematically walk up to every young woman in a conference to ask her out - throw temper tantrums for…
Stallman did not show up barefoot. He took his shoes off in the middle of his speech.
Re: Statement of FSF board on election of Richard Stallman
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
Innocent until proven guilty is the standard for a trial, not for public opinion.
I'm literally responding to this line - >But jumping in to argue that the absence of evidence proves innocence That line is a fucking disaster philosophy. "I can't prove he did anything, and no one has accused him, but I hereby declare him not-innocent" --- Next up we can debate how the child should pay for the crimes of his father.
How did you get onto this tangent? Minsky isn't on trial here. He's dead. The point wasn't to determine whether or not the accusation against him merits a conviction, but to point out that this isn't a license to (1) make excuses for the crime of which he was accused or (2) (from upthread) declare that the crime definitely didn't even happen, when it's pretty clear that it probably did.
Re: Statement of FSF board on election of Richard Stallman
#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
Am I the only one who simply doesn't care? The purpose of the FSF isn't protecting children. It's the promotion of free software. Some tone-deaf words by RMS are only even relevant because of the prevalence of cancel culture and the cult of wokeism. Software will still need to be free after the fad cult of wokeism has been left behind. What the media claimed was Stallman defended Epstein. That isn't true. The whole t…
> The purpose of the FSF isn't protecting children The purpose of FSF and RMS as a spokeperson/leader is to represent a movement and the people behind it. You cannot represent *me* if you: - make all sort of "weird" remarks about age of consent - brush off any sincere question or constructive criticism for decades - systematically walk up to every young woman in a conference to ask her out - throw temper tantrums for…
> You cannot represent me if you:
He represents me, and many more. You can go fund another movement, if you feel attacked.
Re: Statement of FSF board on election of Richard Stallman
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
Good point (and the username stands out too). Imagine though you're asking "okay, I see you're a lawyer, but you're a black lawyer and I'm afraid that your public credibility in this part of the country may (alas!) be compromised"?
We DO NOT choose our ethnicity, nationality, natural hair color, food allergy so we SHOULD NOT be discriminated for that. We DO choose how to act, like engaging in public speaking or not, showing up to court/convention poorly dressed or barefoot, or being rude to people and so on. With choice comes accountability. With public presence comes public accountability. Very simple.
> We DO choose how to act, like engaging in public speaking or not, showing up to court/convention poorly dressed or barefoot, or being rude to people and so on.
Hey, you solved Asperger, depression, and all mental issues. Quick, someone give this guy a Nobel prize!
Re: Statement of FSF board on election of Richard Stallman
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The purpose of the FSF isn't protecting children The purpose of FSF and RMS as a spokeperson/leader is to represent a movement and the people behind it. You cannot represent *me* if you: - make all sort of "weird" remarks about age of consent - brush off any sincere question or constructive criticism for decades - systematically walk up to every young woman in a conference to ask her out - throw temper tantrums for…
> You cannot represent me if you: He represents me, and many more. You can go fund another movement, if you feel attacked.
> You can go fund another movement
We do. Plenty of developers fund FSFE, Conservancy, EFF and so on.
That does not take away the validity of the complains about RMS as a spokeperson.
He admits it himself: https://www.fsf.org/news/rms-addresses-the-free-software-com...
> if you are so sensitive.
No need for snark. It's not a matter of my personal taste.
Being a public speaker requires understanding how to fit the expectation of the majority of the audience, including politicians, companies (managers and businessman), IP lawyers, journalists, and all sort of non-technical people.
It is difficult to support FLOSS in the workplace and in society when people associate it with RMS: "that's the stuff that weird guy talks about".
Re: Statement of FSF board on election of Richard Stallman
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You cannot represent me if you: He represents me, and many more. You can go fund another movement, if you feel attacked.
> You can go fund another movement We do. Plenty of developers fund FSFE, Conservancy, EFF and so on. That does not take away the validity of the complains about RMS as a spokeperson. He admits it himself: https://www.fsf.org/news/rms-addresses-the-free-software-com... > if you are so sensitive. No need for snark. It's not a matter of my personal taste. Being a public speaker requires understanding how to fit the exp…
> We do. Plenty of developers fund FSFE, Conservancy, EFF and so on.
Then carry on. Obviously the Free Software movement is not your cup of tea. You will probably feel more comfortable in the OSS movement. More business oriented.
> No need for snark. It's not a matter of my personal taste.
But it is. He offends your sensibilities. Not mine. Not other people's.
> It is difficult to support FLOSS in the workplace and in society when people associate it with RMS: "that's the stuff that weird guy talks about".
As it should be. The fact you are mixing open source with free software, and then complain it's not business friendly shows you are missing the point. Free software doesn't have to be business friendly. The final objective of the free software movement is that eventually everything becomes free software. All software. That is something current business doesn't find very friendly. Which is their problem. They will have to adapt or disappear.
Re: Statement of FSF board on election of Richard Stallman
#129My frustration is for the stupid people in the GCC mailing list who think that those individuals are bigger than the ideological cause. They even started contemplating that GCC should fork away from FSF.
I'm sure you mean "stupid people who believe in equality" so it is hilarious that you think one individual, RMS, is more important than the ideas of copyleft.
The best compliment that you can pay RMS is to say that his ideas were greater than the man, and they they deserve to outlive him.
GCC is already separate from RMS/FSF, effectively from the late 1990s with the EGCS fork, and officially now. I expect they will move further away due to the recent debacle.
Re: Statement of FSF board on election of Richard Stallman
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You cannot represent me if you: He represents me, and many more. You can go fund another movement, if you feel attacked.
> You can go fund another movement We do. Plenty of developers fund FSFE, Conservancy, EFF and so on. That does not take away the validity of the complains about RMS as a spokeperson. He admits it himself: https://www.fsf.org/news/rms-addresses-the-free-software-com... > if you are so sensitive. No need for snark. It's not a matter of my personal taste. Being a public speaker requires understanding how to fit the exp…
About that:
> We do. Plenty of developers fund FSFE, Conservancy, EFF and so on.
This is FSFE's response:
https://fsfe.org/news/2021/news-20210324-01.en.html
> We disapprove of this step that came without any message of remorse or willingness to change.
> Therefore, in the current situation we see ourselves unable to collaborate both with the FSF and any other organisation in which Richard Stallman has a leading position.