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I have been anti Eich since I heard about all this. I dis-recommend Brave to everyone I know and will never support another Brendan Eich product again. I'm frequently surprised that the HN crowd largely seems to give him a pass on his hateful opinions towards LGBT people. He's also an anti-masker and thinks a lot of what Dr Fauci says is actually lies. He is not somebody I look up to or see as a leader, especially in…
Yeah I think that's all pretty stupid. For me these are good reasons not to work for Brave, but less good reasons not to use Brave. I think Mozilla is a bit different because of their leadership in the community. I know the Mozilla Foundation is separate, but it's part of that community and I think it was inappropriate for Eich to be in a position of leadership in that community. I think Steve Jobs is a good similar…
Statement of FSF board on election of Richard Stallman
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Re: Statement of FSF board on election of Richard Stallman
#102> He has sincere regrets, especially at how anger toward him personally has negatively impacted the reputation and mission of FSF In my opinion, "I'm sorry you were offended enough to stop supporting me" is not a sincere apology. In fact this whole announcement is one big "I'm sorry you were offended" statement. It doesn't apologise for the problem, it "apologises" for not managing to sneak the announcements past peo…
> In my opinion, "I'm sorry you were offended enough to stop supporting me" is not a sincere apology. I'm surprised at the lack of empathy towards what seems a pretty genuine attempt at introspection. To me it seems obvious that RMS is a person with a handicap and deserves at least a little understanding and support, especially since he is openly acknowledging his difference.
He portrays himself as willing to learn. People who worked with him have different stories.[1]
Re: Statement of FSF board on election of Richard Stallman
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have been anti Eich since I heard about all this. I dis-recommend Brave to everyone I know and will never support another Brendan Eich product again. I'm frequently surprised that the HN crowd largely seems to give him a pass on his hateful opinions towards LGBT people. He's also an anti-masker and thinks a lot of what Dr Fauci says is actually lies. He is not somebody I look up to or see as a leader, especially in…
It may be a dumb question, but if the product is good, why should I care about personal views of whoever created it? When people go to the market, are they supposed to ask "okay, I see your eggs are free range, but do you guys support gay marriage?"
Instead, imagine you are facing court and ask your lawyer:
"okay, I see you are a lawyer, but do you make highly controversial statements in public?"
This is a legitimate concern. The public credibility of your lawyer affects the outcome.
On top of that our "lawyer" RMS walks barefoot in court and wears dirty clothes.
Re: Statement of FSF board on election of Richard Stallman
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
It may be a dumb question, but if the product is good, why should I care about personal views of whoever created it? When people go to the market, are they supposed to ask "okay, I see your eggs are free range, but do you guys support gay marriage?"
With that phrasing, this is a loaded question. Instead, imagine you are facing court and ask your lawyer: "okay, I see you are a lawyer, but do you make highly controversial statements in public?" This is a legitimate concern. The public credibility of your lawyer affects the outcome. On top of that our "lawyer" RMS walks barefoot in court and wears dirty clothes.
Imagine though you're asking "okay, I see you're a lawyer, but you're a black lawyer and I'm afraid that your public credibility in this part of the country may (alas!) be compromised"?
Re: Statement of FSF board on election of Richard Stallman
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is the point that RMS is trying to make. His argument (iirc) is that "rape" might be an incorrect word used to describe what happened (was it proved to be rape? The only part proved iirc were the ages), and that immediately because the person was 17 instead of 18, that word is used to describe the situation without second thought. I don't think he was saying that there should be zero repercussions, or that we sh…
This is essentially RMS' point, and it is pretty much a stupid technicality that even his deceitful 'I now know better' non-apology doesn't in fact contradict at all. Sure, the word 'rape' invites images of forcing yourself on someone through explicit violence, when what Minsky did is statutory rape, non-consensual sex with someone by virtue of them being unable to consent (since she was a minor). But it misses the p…
Re: Statement of FSF board on election of Richard Stallman
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
With that phrasing, this is a loaded question. Instead, imagine you are facing court and ask your lawyer: "okay, I see you are a lawyer, but do you make highly controversial statements in public?" This is a legitimate concern. The public credibility of your lawyer affects the outcome. On top of that our "lawyer" RMS walks barefoot in court and wears dirty clothes.
Good point (and the username stands out too). Imagine though you're asking "okay, I see you're a lawyer, but you're a black lawyer and I'm afraid that your public credibility in this part of the country may (alas!) be compromised"?
We DO choose how to act, like engaging in public speaking or not, showing up to court/convention poorly dressed or barefoot, or being rude to people and so on.
With choice comes accountability.
With public presence comes public accountability. Very simple.
Re: Statement of FSF board on election of Richard Stallman
#107One can't deny, sadly, that a software freedom geek with consistency and integrity as applied to that philosophy and insight therein of RMS's caliber doesn't yet exist. I'm afraid, for this reason alone quite a few people get to think that if you consistently apply software freedom principles in all parts of your life where you use or produce software, it must come with the baggage of all other flaws of RMS's charact…
> One can't deny, sadly, that a software freedom geek with consistency and integrity as applied to that philosophy and insight therein of RMS's caliber doesn't yet exist. I can name at least 10 people that I find more suitable than RMS, including: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Sandler https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_M._Kuhn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bdale_Garbee
If there was one single reason RMS should remain in any function at FSF at all, it would be his writing as a philosopher (being a jerk is actually a plus in this case, cf Diogenes).
I myself probably would wish RMS to retire honorably in time and contribute with writing. Would end well for everyone involved. Doesn't make the smear campaign any more justified, against fucking anyone.
Re: Statement of FSF board on election of Richard Stallman
#108I'm still not sure why people consider it appropriate to exclude someone like Stallman from serving on the Board of the FSF while continuing to allow Mr. Rafael Reif, for example, to remain president of MIT after sending a personally signed "thank-you note" to one of the most notorious alleged sex-traffickers and convicted child-rapists in US history:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2020/01/12/after-epstei...
Nor would it be any more appropriate to allow Mr. Seth Lloyd back onto the MIT campus with just a slap on the wrist:
https://thetech.com/2021/02/25/mit-administration-epstein-op...
Or Mr. Martin Nowak for that matter either:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/03/26/metro/harvard-sanctio...
On the subject of Nowak's role in aiding and abetting a child rapist, this hacker news thread is worth reading again:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25442060
So why has nobody drafted petitions to cancel Rafael "Thank You So Much Mr. Epstein -- And Don't Forget to Show My Letter to Federal Prosecutors" Reif, Benedict "Epstein is an Ideal Donor for Harvard" Gross, Alan "Dershbag" Dershowitz, Martin "Punishment Serves No Noble Purpose" Nowak, Steven "Using the Internet to Entice a Minor into Prostitution is A-Okay" Pinker, Seth "So What If I Make Female Undergraduates at MIT Feel Uncomfortable" Lloyd, Neri "Epstein was Always a Reliable Supporter of Israel" Oxman, Frank "I Never Saw any Girls that were Underage" Wilczek, and all of the other pedophilia-tolerating two-faced phonies that attended EDGE Foundation dinners hosted by the convicted child rapist and/or visited him on "Pedophile Isle," where FBI reportedly found instruction manuals that Mr. Epstein had ordered on Amazon that describe how to create a so-called "sex slave," in addition to video tapes containing child pornography that he allegedly recorded using secret cameras that were installed throughout his various residences?
Mr. Stallman blaming his "being on the spectrum" for all of the troubling statements cataloged on the website cited below may not entirely excuse him for making them since there is no evidence that someone on the spectrum is more likely than the general population to hold similar views on child rape:
https://geekfeminism.wikia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman
But the most important question today that Mr. Stallman still needs to address directly, because many of his critics on this issue continue to hold him in the highest regard for his role in advancing the free software movement, is a very frank one:
Were his remarks in support of pedophilia designed to persuade Mr. Epstein to donate part of his $500 million estate to the Free Software Foundation, much like he observed role-models such as MIT president Rafael Reif do for Mr. Epstein when Dr. Reif sent Mr. Epstein a personally signed thank-you note for his donation to the Media Lab, or colleagues like Martin Nowak do for Mr. Epstein when Dr. Nowak created a web page on a university website and an office in his department for a convicted child-rapist in exchange for tens of millions of dollars in donations that were promised to his academic program at Harvard and hundreds of millions of dollars in donations, often laundered through Epstein's fellow billionaire pedophile friends like Les Wexner, Glenn Dubin, and Leon Black, to Harvard University, where Mr. Nowak is a professor?
I'm not entirely convinced by the naysayers on this one yet, but Stallman is most deserving of the benefit of doubt thus far, and not because of his autism, but rather because of all of his contributions to free software in spite of it.
On the other hand, many of the other Epstein co-conspirators cited above who directly accepted money from the convicted child-rapist as a form of reputation laundering for an individual who they knew, or should have known, was about to face racketeering charges in federal court for the sex-trafficking of hundreds of underage girls over the past 30 years deserve to spend some serious time in the same jail cell where Mr. Epstein (allegedly) killed himself because he was too much of a coward to stand trial for all of the crimes that he knew he had committed.
Re: Statement of FSF board on election of Richard Stallman
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
How fucking far we've fallen from "innocent until proven guilty".
Innocent until proven guilty is the standard for a trial, not for public opinion.
>But jumping in to argue that the absence of evidence proves innocence
That line is a fucking disaster philosophy. "I can't prove he did anything, and no one has accused him, but I hereby declare him not-innocent"
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Next up we can debate how the child should pay for the crimes of his father.
Re: Statement of FSF board on election of Richard Stallman
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
Innocent until proven guilty is the standard for a trial, not for public opinion.
I'm literally responding to this line - >But jumping in to argue that the absence of evidence proves innocence That line is a fucking disaster philosophy. "I can't prove he did anything, and no one has accused him, but I hereby declare him not-innocent" --- Next up we can debate how the child should pay for the crimes of his father.