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Re: Just Be Rich

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I didn't make such an assumption. I ask again: How do you define "access to wealth"?

Based on what you wrote, I agree with RHSeeger that you did indeed make that assumption. That you can’t see it speaks volumes about your analysis not matching the facts.

Still no answer to my question about definition of "access to wealth".

It's like "access to God", for what I know.

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A lot of people who are just as smart and motived as Elon Musk or Steve Jobs will never be able to start their own companies and get rich. Because they have family obligations that take priority. Because they live outside high-income countries. Because they have no access to support network, so when they fail, they fall all the way to bottom. Because they may have made a crippling mistake in their pasts that now prev…

If you are born poor it is extremely difficult to escape poverty, especially because of high taxes that you are going to experience as soon as your education and determination lands you a good job. This severely inhibits your means to save or to invest. The progressive taxation is like a back-stop to keep everyone in check and prevent people from going up the class ladder. Meanwhile the rich, that are supposed to be the target of progressive tax, laugh and carry on paying very little.

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Nothing truly insightful about the troubles of poverty has ever been said by someone who never lived it. Divorced of the appropriate context, advice and opinions are like the proverb says; everyone's got one and they all stink.

Orwell’s work on poverty is a treasure because he actually went and became a homeless person and a minimum wage slave to learn about the conditions of the poor.

Instead of reading Down and Out in Paris And London, PG is more likely to reread 1984 and use it to complain about getting cancelled on Clubhouse.

Re: Just Be Rich

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Income inequality is growing, yes. But are the wealthy somehow responsible for it? Is their "getting richer" directly responsible for it? There seems to be a growing consensus on the left that they are. I have yet to see a convincing argument to show this though. Someone who builds a company worth 100m didn't have to steal money from me (or anyone else) to do it. If they did steal, then that's what needs fixed. Preve…

I (leftie) don't see growing wealth inequality necessarily as a problem; however, it does factor into which solutions are available for the problems I do care about. One of the problems I care about are the living conditions of those who are worst off. Despite economic growth, the conditions for these people have, depending on the area, barely improved, stagnated, or even deteriorated over the last decades in many wealthy nations.

The question then is: why does this happen, and how do we fix it? There are broadly speaking two options: either the economy is performing poorly and not generating enough wealth for everyone to thrive, or it is generating enough wealth, but the spoils are being distributed unequally. The fact that we have huge inequality points to us being in the second situation, and the solution is, accordingly, redistribution.

As an aside, I'm quite curious what you mean by "underlying issues".

Re: Just Be Rich

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A lot of people who are just as smart and motived as Elon Musk or Steve Jobs will never be able to start their own companies and get rich. Because they have family obligations that take priority. Because they live outside high-income countries. Because they have no access to support network, so when they fail, they fall all the way to bottom. Because they may have made a crippling mistake in their pasts that now prev…

Yeah, but income and/or wealth inequality is a problem in itself, and that's what libertarians such as PG don't understand (or refuse to consider).

It doesn't matter if wealth acquisition was "fair" or "warranted".

It doesn't matter if the process that allowed wealth to be acquired resulted in a net gain for society.

When a group of people become incredibly more wealthy than the general population, their interests diverge and it breaks society apart.

It's even worse when said group is not diverse but is instead composed of just the same privileged people as it has always been.

Re: Just Be Rich

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I think its more than just that. I think less people are interested in actually owning their housing. For me housing is the least thing i want to worry about, so i gladly rent and simply can fix any problems by calling my landlord who is by law obliged to keep the house in a liveable condition. Also flexibility, i can move whenever i want without worrying about the value of my house (which in reality likely only loos…

But you lose the ability to continue to rent if the landlord doesn't want to continue, aka you can get kicked out. And any costs to maintain a livable condition is going to just be added to the cost of the rent anyway, so it's not like you're actually saving money. Buying as its own costs of course, and sometimes it's more cost effective to rent. The most unuseful answer, hence, is that it depends on the specifics.

I agree it really comes down to the individial situation.

However both points are kinda non issues due to our renting laws and the more or less standard contract around here. Getting kicked out only works with a reason, plus a prior notice from i think at least 3 months plus they are not allowed to increase the rent just for maintaining liveable conditions (i.e. repairs that have to be done).

But sure if you are willing to think and calculate in long terms (~30-50 years) buying often is the cheaper option. Yet comes with an additional workload (taxes, repairs, ...)

Re: Just Be Rich

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I hate that quote. Personally I’m not envious of the rich, I despise them. I hate the fact that there are rich people, not because I want to be one some day, but because they ruin the party for the rest of us. The climate disaster is disproportionately the fault of the rich, yet it is the poor who are disproportionately affected by it. I don’t envy the rich. When I see the rich, I see pitiful humans that work too muc…

Talk us through the "hate dogs" bit.

Releasing a Netflix documentary, stand by.

Re: Just Be Rich

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Renting is often cheaper in major cities.

The owners generally want profit, where does it come from?

Two things I’ve noticed:

1. Price speculation. Owners are willing to take a loss each month assuming they will make it up on appreciation. This is very true for condos in Toronto for example. Rent is about $500-1000/month less than carrying costs of ownership.

2. Long-term ownership. Landlord bought the property for half the current market rate so carrying costs are way lower than if you’d bought today.

Re: Just Be Rich

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"tons of people are struggling to meet their basic needs" That's just not true. There are billions less people struggling to meet their basic needs now, than there was in 1982. World is much more equal now than it was in 1982.

This data of jump in equality is often cited, but it's often left out that the majority of the people lifted out in poverty is from a country where they have a planned economy and gladly lock up or even execute the rich that do not cooperate with measures to stimulate wealth equality.

Re: Just Be Rich

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That's simply not true. Economists who try to explain the housing crisis have pointed to increased regulation, cheap credit leading to an asset bubble, speculation, ill-advised tax cuts for homeowners, NIMBYism (not by government but by current residents), irrational buy vs. rent decisions, changing preferences for city vs. suburb, relaxed downpayment requirements, changing lifestyles and demographics with bachelors…

What about just, people buying multiple houses/apartments to rent them out? IANAE, but I have a sinking feeling the situation would quickly improve if ownership had per-person limits (and no easy way to pool the limits into a company). Countries could build new housing faster than the population grows, but as long as it can be scooped up by the wealthy for renting out, the scarcity would prevail.

Not an expert in macroeconomics either, but in a perfect free market there shouldn't be a lot of difference between renting and buying: if you can get a 5% yearly return by renting out a house, then the person renting from you can probably also get a 5% yearly return by investing their freed-up capital elsewhere and/or by not having to pay interest. If renting is too expensive, you buy, and if buying is too expensive, you rent. If one kind of investment like land or housing turns out to be particularly lucrative, capital will flow towards that type of investment and drive down returns towards the average again. Companies rent and lease stuff all the time, even if they have the money to buy, because often it just makes more sense. So there has to be something to disturb that happy picture and benefit owners at the expense of renters: a wonky tax structure, speculation, rate of return on land consistently higher than for other asset classes, cultural norms that value homeownership, who knows. Ownership of multiple dwellings by the wealthy might play a role, but in itself it's not a sufficient condition for high housing prices.

(It would be different if the wealthy were buying these houses to live in them or to leave them empty, as that would increase demand and constrain supply. Happening in London, Vancouver and a bunch of other places, I think. Also sort of like what happened with the quinoa fad: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinoa#Effects_of_rising_deman...)

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