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Facebook's 'Clear History' Tool Doesn't Clear Shit (2020)

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Re: Facebook's 'Clear History' Tool Doesn't Clear Shit (2020)

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If someone decided to meticulously track everything I do. Follow me wherever I went. Put a GPS tracker on my car to see everywhere I visit. Peep inside my windows to see what websites I browse. Look over my shoulder at the grocery store to see what items I buy. I would consider that stalking and attempt to file a restraining order against that person. Can I file a restraining order against Facebook? Or Google?

If you're a European citizen, then you can invoke your legal right to erasure.

Re: Facebook's 'Clear History' Tool Doesn't Clear Shit (2020)

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If someone decided to meticulously track everything I do. Follow me wherever I went. Put a GPS tracker on my car to see everywhere I visit. Peep inside my windows to see what websites I browse. Look over my shoulder at the grocery store to see what items I buy. I would consider that stalking and attempt to file a restraining order against that person. Can I file a restraining order against Facebook? Or Google?

I guess no, because you agreed to terms and conditions that they can.

Terms and conditions which would have a hard time holding up in court without a signature and witness. Maybe things will change in the future since my own bank does this for online agreements as well as a few government agencies but those do have more stringent KYC rules for online verification.

Re: Facebook's 'Clear History' Tool Doesn't Clear Shit (2020)

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Wouldn't be surprised if they haven't even written the code to actually delete stuff.

Given how they and companies like them behave, how they drag their feet and stall all the time, I am not surprised.

I suspect Facebook is too useful as an intelligence and surveillance tool to lead to some kind of meaningful legislation, penalties, whatever. If you can delete your data, then you can hide your tracks. Also, even if we assume that the US at least has in its favor a cultural apprehension toward surveillance, China doesn't, so you'll have a situation where a country is monitoring everything to death while you don't know what's going on. At least that might be the thinking. If that is so, I cannot imagine any realistic solutions. A race toward the bottom. You would need to ween people off Facebook, to cause them to leave the platform in droves. The only way to do that is to offer something better and that something would need to have privacy "built-in" in some way and either remain profitable or decentralized.

Re: Facebook's 'Clear History' Tool Doesn't Clear Shit (2020)

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If someone decided to meticulously track everything I do. Follow me wherever I went. Put a GPS tracker on my car to see everywhere I visit. Peep inside my windows to see what websites I browse. Look over my shoulder at the grocery store to see what items I buy. I would consider that stalking and attempt to file a restraining order against that person. Can I file a restraining order against Facebook? Or Google?

I guess no, because you agreed to terms and conditions that they can.

They track you even without an account, so no not everyone agreed to their terms and conditions.

Re: Facebook's 'Clear History' Tool Doesn't Clear Shit (2020)

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If someone decided to meticulously track everything I do. Follow me wherever I went. Put a GPS tracker on my car to see everywhere I visit. Peep inside my windows to see what websites I browse. Look over my shoulder at the grocery store to see what items I buy. I would consider that stalking and attempt to file a restraining order against that person. Can I file a restraining order against Facebook? Or Google?

I guess no, because you agreed to terms and conditions that they can.

For those who have signed up. What about "shadow profiles"?

Re: Facebook's 'Clear History' Tool Doesn't Clear Shit (2020)

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If someone decided to meticulously track everything I do. Follow me wherever I went. Put a GPS tracker on my car to see everywhere I visit. Peep inside my windows to see what websites I browse. Look over my shoulder at the grocery store to see what items I buy. I would consider that stalking and attempt to file a restraining order against that person. Can I file a restraining order against Facebook? Or Google?

You can't, because all the websites they're tracking you on are actually helping Facebook by choice. They didn't plant a GPS tracker on your car, they paid a bunch of amoral civilians to monitor your movements through the city.

Our legal system isn't equipped to handle the majority of free people deciding to act like broad-spectrum stalkers within the span of a few years. Society only works if most people aren't evil or utterly susceptible to evil influence.

Re: Facebook's 'Clear History' Tool Doesn't Clear Shit (2020)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They will mouth some words about "our high availability data replication and backups are not designed to delete information instantly". Meanwhile, their metric ton of machine learning has already been loaded up with your behavioral traces and cannot be unlearned. It'll still predict your behavior well enough to target ads, even if the raw trace of what you did is gone.

Wouldn't you say the "right to be forgotten" includes deleting the weights and biases that have been accumulated for a person?

Absolutely, everything needs to go.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't you say the "right to be forgotten" includes deleting the weights and biases that have been accumulated for a person?

Absolutely, everything needs to go.

I totally agree. But they can't do that. Or at least, it's hard. And they'll lie about it being impossible.

Re: Facebook's 'Clear History' Tool Doesn't Clear Shit (2020)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about if one deleted the account with them 5 years before and they still follow you. I hope that is stalking.

“When you delete content, it's no longer visible to other users; however, it may continue to exist elsewhere on our systems” This is from FB’s terms and conditions, so I guess they can still keep the data. If you agree to any other website’s terms and conditions saying “any third party can track you”, you have again given permission.

The problem with this interpretation is that valid contracts depend, among other things, on informed consent and on the legality of what's being required, meaning you can't trick someone into being bound to terms they never really accepted or sufficiently understood and you can't bind them to illegal terms.

In this case, most people haven't read the Facebook terms of service and it is probably unreasonable to expect everyone to not only read them, but to keep abreast of any updates. So it's a grey area. And if you pass laws and regulations around data privacy, then FB won't be able to legally impose such conditions. But as I said earlier, there isn't much inertia behind data privacy. Nobody with power wants it.

Re: Facebook's 'Clear History' Tool Doesn't Clear Shit (2020)

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If someone decided to meticulously track everything I do. Follow me wherever I went. Put a GPS tracker on my car to see everywhere I visit. Peep inside my windows to see what websites I browse. Look over my shoulder at the grocery store to see what items I buy. I would consider that stalking and attempt to file a restraining order against that person. Can I file a restraining order against Facebook? Or Google?

No, because of a 1996 US Federal law, information collected about you is no longer your property, even if there is no business relationship.
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