Come to Google! No forced management track so you can code for as long as you want, no ageism (colleague just turned 60; I'm 40 myself), will probably let you support a family, great WLB :)
I would love to work at google. I am an older coder and founder but I doubt highly I could pass the tests to even get an interview. :(
Ask HN: I feel my career is at a dead end. Any advice on what could I do?
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Re: Ask HN: I feel my career is at a dead end. Any advice on what could I do?
#42Such companies will have a career ladder up to Principal or Distinguished engineer. You will have to share your knowledge, of course, but without having to give up coding and do people management, if you don't want that.
I'm 39, happy infrastructure engineer, individual contributor. I tried being team lead for some years, but didn't really enjoy people management. That's okay.
Charity Majors wrote some great posts about that:
- https://charity.wtf/2019/09/08/reasons-not-to-be-a-manager/
- https://charity.wtf/2019/11/23/questionable-advice-after-bei...
- https://charity.wtf/2020/09/01/the-official-authorized-list-...
- https://charity.wtf/2020/09/06/if-management-isnt-a-promotio...
Re: Ask HN: I feel my career is at a dead end. Any advice on what could I do?
#43I feel like we are seeing a post like this every week. Contrary to sentiment here, writing CRUD apps for FANG is indeed not the dream and a path of fulfillment.
It is a way to a stack of money. Which may not give you fulfillment but it does you options.
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#44Being a coder makes you a cost centre, whereas being a PM gives you some degree of charge over a budget, which means you can more directly quantify your $ contribution to the business. The upper end of your salary expectations will therefore likely be higher in the PM role. It sounds like you don't want to do PM, but sort of realise this.
There are a handful of exceptions to this, where you become such a domain expert that people will write blank cheques for you do still do the technical stuff, but you will find overwhelmingly that your experience level is one where companies see your best value in providing you the responsibility to guide the high level and leave the detail up to juniors below you.
Of course, you may choose that you want to become that greybeard IC, and that's totally ok, but expect it to put some degree of limit on your salary's upward trajectory. I don't think that they will kick you out just because you're old, but they certainly see you as being able to deliver more value in some degree of management. As an IC, you simply can't provide that much more value back to the company compared to juniors in similar roles, because your true value lies in being leverage to multiple juniors through your experience and mentorship. If you're paid well enough, satisfied with having that for the rest of your working life, then it's an increasingly stress-free way to pay the bills because your mastery of the role will mean it's easy to deliver.
It's worth noting, that some of the other ways around this (starting your own company, freelancing, consultancy) will inherently include a degree of management of some description. Whether it's the right balance for you is again something only you can gauge.
So if you truly want to stay as an IC, how do you do that? Talk to your supervisors about your career goals and highlight that. Have that discussion, explain to them that you're happy to take on a mentorship role but still want to be in the weeds at the end of the day, and hopefully your company is flexible enough to work with you there.
Context: I'm also 35 but in a mech engineer career, and in exactly the same career stage as you. I now have 3 people reporting to me, but more informally play a strategy/mentorship/leadership role to a team of about 10 more junior engineers.
I have thought a lot through this, and my team has multiple of those old greybeards who stayed in the technical expert IC role. I wrestled with the same issue (I used to love doing technical design, FEA, CAD, etc., and can still probably run rings around the juniors in it) but ultimately realised that I want the career growth and that I can deliver substantially more value by moving into a leadership position.
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#45The problem is that, at same time I feel that coding can't be a lifetime career: Is this actually true?? I’m concerned because I read that you’re making decisions based on this assumption and I’m not necessarily true this assumption is inline with reality. I’m 36, and have been moving away from coding for the last couple years too, I’m deeply concerned because engineering seems to earn more across the board than proj…
Where I live (Sydney, Australia), front-end contractors earn (in AUD) $800/day, back-end $900/day and project managers $1000/day. There’s a range, of course, but that’s the gist of it.
Re: Ask HN: I feel my career is at a dead end. Any advice on what could I do?
#46It's curious that modern life has brought this sort of angst. I mean, long ago you would work in farming or as a blacksmith all your life and that would be it. With such constant change nowadays, you can't help but feel that you are always on a tightrope. Late capitalism has made everyone expendable; you have to prove yourself constantly. Also, inequality takes away some of your freedom. Sometimes I wish I could take…
You might be a blacksmith, but eventually you'll become the master of the shop, take on some apprentices under you, and take on more high-level responsibilities. You might still get to work iron periodically (especially if it's a complex, artisan piece) but more of your day will be consumed with balancing books, managing contracts of supplies, client liason, etc.
I don't think that's really evolved a great deal compared to the OP's sitaution.
Re: Ask HN: I feel my career is at a dead end. Any advice on what could I do?
#47I landed my highest profile job so far as a fresh graduate, but I quickly found out it was a miserable place to be in. I have made a healthy work environment my top priority ever since. In my opinion you should chase what makes you happy, which may or may not be what makes some random HN users happy.
Re: Ask HN: I feel my career is at a dead end. Any advice on what could I do?
#48Come to Google! No forced management track so you can code for as long as you want, no ageism (colleague just turned 60; I'm 40 myself), will probably let you support a family, great WLB :)
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m glad you have time for this! I’m 37 and haven’t had time for personal tech projects in years; family, home ownership and life have all gotten in the way. I’m on the management side (senior director equivalent), but I do make more than any of my engineers and I probably spend 50% less time working. I do a mix of people management, architecture design and executive communication, but it’s 95% stuff that falls into…
Are you openly bragging about making more money while working half as much as the people you are supposed to be responsible for? I would be embarrassed to write that.