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Re: Prince Philip has died

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Post by _fnhr »

GrumpySloth wrote: post #397
_fnhr wrote: post #382

Earlier quoted context omitted.

California, USA, has had a bigger sympathy towards Nazism, and even some direct influence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States#...

I find such whataboutism reprehensible. It's common in my home country, where a lot of people in response to pointing out our history of repressions against Jews start pointing fingers at other countries with a vague "they were worse", or worse "we were provoked"; instead of admitting to the past and learning something from it. Pointing out someone's shortcomings shouldn't trigger a review of the shortcomings of othe…

Well, I find such selective highlighting reprehensible. If we seriously care about Nazi sympathies we can make a list and go from the top and get some perspective for tackling this issue. But to bring it up after a person dies is, at minimum, in poor taste.

Re: Prince Philip has died

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Post by thefringthing »

akmarinov wrote: post #388
oblio wrote: post #8

I imagine the next few years will be quite interesting for the British monarchy.

I think there was some sentiment as to migrating Canada away from officially being tied to the British crown, even though it's all ceremonial, but they were waiting on Elizabeth to pass on out of respect. Not sure what the support for that is in Canada.

Support for abolition of the monarchy is about 53% in Canada, but because of the situation with Quebec, Canada's constitution is effectively impossible to amend, which makes the logistics of becoming a republic pretty daunting.

Re: Prince Philip has died

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Post by vinay427 »

Hashemm wrote: post #403
donohoe wrote: post #377

Also a well documented racist. Of course more of the obituaries are leaving that out and bending words to avoid that... examples I've seen: (Source: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Sg_lsY_Y-RoED3IjAjZR... ) - "with off-the-cuff remarks that were called oblivious, insensitive or worse." - "The duke could be blunt and outspoken to the point of offensiveness" - "his unfiltered remarks and attempts at humor becam…

lol, chill out. everyone has said regrettable things.

Not everyone had the same opportunities to know better afforded by a world-class education and extensive travel abroad. Not everyone continued to say these "regrettable" things well into the 21st century. Not everyone was aware that they had a platform by which their words might have an amplified effect.

Re: Prince Philip has died

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Post by Milner08 »

F1Qy94GJ55 wrote: post #385
ksec wrote: post #36

It wasn't that long ago he recovered from an infection [1]. And I remember reading he is only a few more months from 100 years old!. Spending his life serving the country. Rest In Peace [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56172496

> Spending his life serving the country. Rest in Peace. The man was almost 100 years old, almost 30 when India and many other countries got independence from British after a long multi-decade struggle, with many many innocent dead. Frankly I see him as a wealthy old man from a very influential family who should have done better. Am I wrong that this was my first though after seeing this comment? Am I supposed to feel…

I think you can feel sorry for them as people, while also being unhappy with their actions over the years and their position of power.

To me the reaction in the UK (for example all BBC radio stations are broadcasting the same crap news about him all day) has been way more over the top than I expected, but I can see the impact he has had on UK diplomacy over the years but it still seems highly out of proportion.

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Post by maccard »

fastball wrote: post #339
danielrpa wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It cuts both ways. The life of a British Royal is better than almost anyone else's. At the same time, they don't really have a lot of freedom in the usual sense - a lot of ceremonies, formal parties, events etc. You might have a better life as an retired, anonymous millionaire with some US$5M in the bank (which would also make you extremely privileged).

They can leave whenever they want. Golden handcuffs are not actual handcuffs.

No, they can't. See Harry & Meghan for what happens when you leave.

Re: Prince Philip has died

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Post by shankr »

devtul wrote: post #399
donohoe wrote: post #377

Also a well documented racist. Of course more of the obituaries are leaving that out and bending words to avoid that... examples I've seen: (Source: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Sg_lsY_Y-RoED3IjAjZR... ) - "with off-the-cuff remarks that were called oblivious, insensitive or worse." - "The duke could be blunt and outspoken to the point of offensiveness" - "his unfiltered remarks and attempts at humor becam…

We should have a designated shit talker on everyone's wake. Someone who only purpose is to bring every bad word said, bad deeds, remember the unreturned books or any item.

Ah yes! Unreturned book and racism are in same league of shit-talking. Just another art of down-playing the severity of actions/words by comparing it with something mundane.

Re: Prince Philip has died

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Post by Agr0tera »

Nursie wrote: post #408
Agr0tera wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might be worth noting that your experience can differ from theirs without it being untrue. I can say that I did Ancient Greece, Romans, Tudors, touched a little on the Spanish Armada before skipping straight to WW2. Neither of the two schools I attended touched on Colonialism in any recognisable degree, and Slavery was more "We stopped slavery, good job england", when in reality it wasn't done from a place of mora…

I think there was at least some morality at play from the likes of the Quakers, Wilberforce etc. It seems unnecessarily reductionist to say only one or the other force was present, and probably historically inaccurate.

I should clarify my earlier statement, I didn't mean to say there wasn't some form of morality involved, as you pointed out it's likely to some degree there was, just that I don't personally believe it to be a major contributing factor. Just that it was what I was personally taught, that England suddenly realised they were being immoral and sought to right that.

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Post by dghf »

iso1631 wrote: post #409
sgt101 wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1928 is what I should have written.

Most people think "1918" as that was the first time some women were allowed to vote, and later in the year they were allowed to stand for parliament (and Nancy Astor did so in 1919) Like most things, Suffrage was a scale - before 1835 most men didn't have a vote either, working men got it in 1867, 1918 all men over 21 and property holding women over 30 got the vote, in 1928 all women over 21 and in 1969 everyone over…

> In devloved areas like Scotland suffrage is even lower (16)

Only for certain elections -- local and Scottish parliamentary. You still have to be 18 to vote in elections for Westminster; the same was true of European elections when they were still a thing in the UK.

Re: Prince Philip has died

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Post by LordAtlas »

gorgoiler wrote: post #194

Sixty five years as the husband of the head of state of a G7, nuclear armed nation, that brought the world Thatcherite individualism and the first cracks in the EU. Philip, like it or not, wielded influence and power beyond his constitutional station. One doesn’t have to like him, but one should respect him.

> One doesn’t have to like him, but one should respect him.

I'll pass, thank you.

I have no respect for a racist AF person: https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2017/8/13/the-priceless-r...

There are other failings too; his image has been carefully managed with skilled PR.

That I am a citizen of a country that his country once subjugated might make me a little salty towards the monarchy in general.

Re: Prince Philip has died

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Post by yakubin »

_fnhr wrote: post #411
GrumpySloth wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find such whataboutism reprehensible. It's common in my home country, where a lot of people in response to pointing out our history of repressions against Jews start pointing fingers at other countries with a vague "they were worse", or worse "we were provoked"; instead of admitting to the past and learning something from it. Pointing out someone's shortcomings shouldn't trigger a review of the shortcomings of othe…

Well, I find such selective highlighting reprehensible. If we seriously care about Nazi sympathies we can make a list and go from the top and get some perspective for tackling this issue. But to bring it up after a person dies is, at minimum, in poor taste.

"Selective highlighting"? "Making a list and going from the top"? Looks like my comment went completely over somebody's head.

If you read the complete thread, you'll see that it's not random. And I disagree that bringing up something negative after someone dies is bad taste.

Yeah, I don't think we'd get along.

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