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Re: Prince Philip has died

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Post by baybal2 »

alistairSH wrote: post #183
baybal2 wrote: post #155

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> Because Prince Charles is heir to the throne (and has been portrayed more negatively in the news media than any other living person) The UK should quickly tweak their royal succession laws, and give the crown to Edward, or Anne, while the queen is still alive. If Charles abdicates, the line of succession dispute would be rather funny under the current succession laws.

Were he to abdicate, wouldn't the crown pass to his eldest son?

Yes, but William's own unwillingness to sit on the throne is well known.

Re: Prince Philip has died

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Post by dghf »

philistine wrote: post #98
zpeti wrote: post #70

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An interesting perspective I've heard is that she should have been more political in a few extreme cases. She is the head of state and her actual job should be to bring left and right together in the very controversial, almost unsolvable issues, and get them sorted out. She should really be like a couples therapist for political leaders. She never did this. She always stayed out of politics.

I argue that because she focused so hard on being seen positively that she hurt the monarchy in the long run. Her son has nowhere to go but down. She also forced the British Supreme Court to invent the idea that advice given to her can be unlawful, and did not stay out of politics as you said: she was laser-focused on making sure her privileges and money didn’t get touched by denying Queen’s consent. https://www.theg…

> She also forced the British Supreme Court to invent the idea that advice given to her can be unlawful

How did she do that?

Re: Prince Philip has died

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Post by iso1631 »

bb123 wrote: post #120
iso1631 wrote: post #69

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The biggest impact is that all TV and radio shows are cancelled for the forseeable. Will be interesting how it's dealt with due to covid. Will be especially interesting in Northern Ireland, which is currently inflames because of the fallout from a funeral for a republican figure which had many people attending it in breach of lockdown rules, but with no police action (which, combined with Boris's Border, has led to a…

Eh? I'm watching TV in the UK right now. Nothing is cancelled.

BBC One, Two, ITV and I think channel 5 all have stuff on

But yes, channel 4 does look like some trashy auction show

Re: Prince Philip has died

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Post by gorgoiler »

Sixty five years as the husband of the head of state of a G7, nuclear armed nation, that brought the world Thatcherite individualism and the first cracks in the EU.

Philip, like it or not, wielded influence and power beyond his constitutional station. One doesn’t have to like him, but one should respect him.

Re: Prince Philip has died

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Post by arp242 »

iso1631 wrote: post #69
jiriknesl wrote: post #14

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Maybe there are lots of people from the UK here.

The biggest impact is that all TV and radio shows are cancelled for the forseeable. Will be interesting how it's dealt with due to covid. Will be especially interesting in Northern Ireland, which is currently inflames because of the fallout from a funeral for a republican figure which had many people attending it in breach of lockdown rules, but with no police action (which, combined with Boris's Border, has led to a…

> The biggest impact is that all TV and radio shows are cancelled for the forseeable.

Indeed, 12-year old me found this the worst part of Diana dying: all the cartoons in the morning were pre-empted! I was looking forward to watching Pinky & The Brain :-(

Re: Prince Philip has died

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Post by dghf »

sgt101 wrote: post #168
mattowen_uk wrote: post #95

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There's a reason for this, I'm a bit vague on the details, but when Parliament took control of the country from Charles II, one of the agreements was that the monarch would keep out of political affairs.

Well, it was Charles I, it was done with an Axe, and then there was a complicated tooing and froing for a long while until about 1918 when universal suffrage finally came in.

> about 1918 when universal suffrage finally came in.

It was 1928.

Re: Prince Philip has died

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Post by Angostura »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #162
zpeti wrote: post #70

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An interesting perspective I've heard is that she should have been more political in a few extreme cases. She is the head of state and her actual job should be to bring left and right together in the very controversial, almost unsolvable issues, and get them sorted out. She should really be like a couples therapist for political leaders. She never did this. She always stayed out of politics.

The Queen holds a weekly audience with the Prime Minister. It's unlikely they make chitchat about the weather. The monarch also vets laws while they're being drafted and can make suggestions for changes if they affect their interests. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/08/royals-vette... The Queen isn't just the head of the armed forces - they swear an oath of loyalty directly to the Monarch, not to the peo…

The Queen is the disabled root user of the constitution. The government are the sudoers.

She doesn’t get to ‘vet’ laws in any meaningful way. She rubber-stamps them. The fact that the armed forces swear an oath of loyalty to the Queen is simply because she is head of state.

Nothing in your comment actually demonstrates politicality.

Re: Prince Philip has died

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Post by hnlmorg »

mFixman wrote: post #92
zpeti wrote: post #70

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An interesting perspective I've heard is that she should have been more political in a few extreme cases. She is the head of state and her actual job should be to bring left and right together in the very controversial, almost unsolvable issues, and get them sorted out. She should really be like a couples therapist for political leaders. She never did this. She always stayed out of politics.

Can you think of a single case where this is true? King George VI publicly praised Chamberlain for appeasing Hitler and apparently preventing another world war. I'd be wary of making _any_ public statement of that sort as a royal with that kind of precedent.

In fairness, even many in the German military believed Chamberlain and Hitler had reached an agreement too. What happened at that time was exceptional to say the least -- I can't see many people holding current royals accountable to such a precedent.

Re: Prince Philip has died

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Post by alistairSH »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #162
zpeti wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An interesting perspective I've heard is that she should have been more political in a few extreme cases. She is the head of state and her actual job should be to bring left and right together in the very controversial, almost unsolvable issues, and get them sorted out. She should really be like a couples therapist for political leaders. She never did this. She always stayed out of politics.

The Queen holds a weekly audience with the Prime Minister. It's unlikely they make chitchat about the weather. The monarch also vets laws while they're being drafted and can make suggestions for changes if they affect their interests. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/08/royals-vette... The Queen isn't just the head of the armed forces - they swear an oath of loyalty directly to the Monarch, not to the peo…

The Queen isn't just the head of the armed forces - they swear an oath of loyalty directly to the Monarch...

Interestingly (to me, anyways) is the oath is made directly to Queen Elizabeth by name, not to the crown in general. And isn't made by officers in the Royal Navy, because the navy wasn't created by act of Parliament, but by royal prerogative, so their fealty is assumed.

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