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Home-Built Scanning Tunneling Microscope (2015)

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Re: Home-Built Scanning Tunneling Microscope (2015)

#31
This project is great.

Last semester at university lab, our group tried to rebuild it in our lab.

Through our spectacular fail, we learned how amazing this project actually is. It is harder than it seems.

One can learn very much about piezo electronics, especially about OPamp circuits. And do not underrate the damping!

Re: Home-Built Scanning Tunneling Microscope (2015)

#32
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't think there's a difference between what you see with your naked eye, and what is visualised for you by sensors and software?

do you think your eye is not a sensor ?

Of course your eye is a sensor. As are all your senses. The difference is that the input it receives is unmediated by external sensors and software. Visualising atoms or DNA is fine, but it is an inferior source of information. By a long way.

Imagine you were born deaf and couldn't hear music. But that someone showed you a music visualiser.

Do you think if you were watching the output of that visualiser you would now know the music in some meaningful way?

Re: Home-Built Scanning Tunneling Microscope (2015)

#34
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

do you think your eye is not a sensor ?

Of course your eye is a sensor. As are all your senses. The difference is that the input it receives is unmediated by external sensors and software. Visualising atoms or DNA is fine, but it is an inferior source of information. By a long way. Imagine you were born deaf and couldn't hear music. But that someone showed you a music visualiser. Do you think if you were watching the output of that visualiser you would now…

Would it be possible for you to try at least to contribute to the discussion? This out of hand dismissal seems to be a bit of an issue for you, maybe try harder?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26743591

Re: Home-Built Scanning Tunneling Microscope (2015)

#35

I think I'm going to build this with my kids. What better way to show them atoms than to actually make them build a microscope that shows you the things directly?

This is a wonderful idea. Children (and adults) learn best by doing. There's such a big difference between watching some tv show and making an actual experiment to see structures invisible to the naked eye. I know I would have been psyched to see atoms as a kid.

Re: Home-Built Scanning Tunneling Microscope (2015)

#36
post #31

This project is great. Last semester at university lab, our group tried to rebuild it in our lab. Through our spectacular fail, we learned how amazing this project actually is. It is harder than it seems. One can learn very much about piezo electronics, especially about OPamp circuits. And do not underrate the damping!

And the amplification circuitry, that's not trivial. I was actually surprised he got away with having the wiring out in the open without shielding it for EMI.

Re: Home-Built Scanning Tunneling Microscope (2015)

#37

I think I'm going to build this with my kids. What better way to show them atoms than to actually make them build a microscope that shows you the things directly?

I'm sure its a cool project. But its not showing things directly, is it? Its interpreting a frequency and converting that to an image. Is it really that different to a music visualiser?

Directly as in: you do it yourself, without going through a bunch of intermediaries who will dazzle you with their pretty pictures, you yourself are the one observing the results.

Of course a STM does not work with visible light so it's pretty damn obvious that any measurements will use some other mechanism, and will have to have their measurements converted into an image that we can see. But that does not mean we are not observing. As opposed to reading about someone else's observations.

I take it you also believe that quasars have not been observed and ditto for the dark side of the moon?

Re: Home-Built Scanning Tunneling Microscope (2015)

#38
post #21

Can someone ELI5 the vibration isolation [0] part of it? I kind of get what he's doing, but would appreciate some analogy if it makes sense to make an analogy. [0] https://dberard.com/home-built-stm/vibration-isolation/

In a nutshell: the vibrations that affect the imaging are pretty high frequency. So to get rid of them he has isolated his whole setup in such a way that if there is a vibration it will be well under the lower cut-off frequency that is part of the measurements. So the whole apparatus may go up or down but that won't affect the measurements. If the whole thing would not be isolated then the rumble from the tires of a passing car or a jet flying over would utterly ruin the measurements.

Especially the vibration damping is nicely done, it is zero contact and has the effect of stopping any beginning oscillation in its tracks.

Re: Home-Built Scanning Tunneling Microscope (2015)

#39
post #21

Can someone ELI5 the vibration isolation [0] part of it? I kind of get what he's doing, but would appreciate some analogy if it makes sense to make an analogy. [0] https://dberard.com/home-built-stm/vibration-isolation/

Imagine painting with a paintbrush while standing on a jumping castle with 5 jumping children.

If you have no vibration isolation, it is nearly impossible to draw a very thin and straight line.

(Maybe a bit exaggerated, the vibration analogy is a bit weaker in reality)

Re: Home-Built Scanning Tunneling Microscope (2015)

#40
post #21

Can someone ELI5 the vibration isolation [0] part of it? I kind of get what he's doing, but would appreciate some analogy if it makes sense to make an analogy. [0] https://dberard.com/home-built-stm/vibration-isolation/

Incidentally all of the techniques listed there are used for suspensions in LIGO, Virgo and other ground-based gravitational wave detectors, where the problem is the same: stop seismic noise from moving the object under test.
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