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Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by xupybd » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 5:50 PM UTC

diob wrote: post #852

jimbob45 wrote: post #765

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You asked a well-considered question and got a stupid response. What a waste. My definition would be rioting, specifically using escalating violence until success, to attempt to coerce a system into passing laws that it would not otherwise have passed or wanted to pass (up to and including deposing the leader). I feel like my view loosely fits the Capitol riot, heavily fits the BLM riots, and heavily fits the 1776 in…

Gotcha, I do appreciate you taking the time to reply seriously. My issue with your definition is that means the only thing you'll deem an insurrection is a revolution (basically a successful insurrection). I think the BLM protests (funny these are always deemed riots by certain folk, reminds me of how the military uses terminology to dehumanize, such as the word target) escalated to insurrection in one scenario that…

The BLM protests did at times turn to riots. I don't say that to dehumanize anyone but there was violence and destruction. Mainly because the cause was highjacked by groups that love to break out into violence, such as Antifa.

If we can't call out such groups and recognize the damage they do, what happens to the next protest?

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by esyir » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 5:55 PM UTC

mahogany wrote: post #918

esyir wrote: post #772

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Everyone saying "just build your own lol" is either accidentally or deliberately ignoring network effects and said impact on social media dominance. The government writes legislation, it doesn't build, or build well anyway. This goes 10x for tech platforms, where the US government is beyond incompetent and will remain that way for the foreseeable future. I would rather suggest something along the lines of this. At a…

I think this issue is more nuanced than you (and many other people every time these threads comes up) make it out to be, which is why I brought up this point. Saying "certain scale duh" is just as an empty idea as "just build your own lol". Can you explicitly tell me how you would codify that scale in law? And whatever you make the cap, what then is the incentive for a website to allow more users over the cap? > Of c…

Sure, let's start with a million and go from there. Why would they want to go bigger? Money, that's why.

If someone was repeating that in a public space, we probably wouldn't, but if he had a series of megaphones screaming that at everyone, ala spammimg everyone's convos, many societies have laws against just that. Much of law is already using a "reasonable man". Standard, so why not this one?

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by dang » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 6:24 PM UTC

throwawaysea wrote: post #859

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #800

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See my other comment, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26734738 . Meets the definition of insurrection, and there were many weapons present, incuding the ones you acknowledged, several unlicensed guns, and Molotovs.

How many people were engaged in activities that fit the definition of “insurrection” and how many have been charged with more than just trespassing? How many with conspiracy? If that number is nearly zero, out of hundreds who entered the Capitol grounds, who in turn were a small fraction of the tens of thousands in DC that day to support Trump, how can all of it and all these participants be described in such extreme…

It looks like your account has been using HN primarily for political and ideological battle. We ban accounts that do that, regardless of what they're battling for or against. There's plenty more explanation at https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme..., but the short version is that it leads to tedious, predictable, and nasty threads that destroy the curious conversation HN is supposed to exist for.

If you keep this up we are going to have to ban you. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use HN as intended, we'd appreciate it.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by dang » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 6:43 PM UTC

omgwtfbbq wrote: post #359

>How different is that from at-will employment though? You can be fired at any time and for more or less any non-federally-protected reason (and can quit any time too). That seems pretty uncontroversial in the US at least. Most Europeans would be horrified by this concept so I'm not sure it supports your argument.

You started a wretched nationalistic flamewar and then perpetuated it. Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26742264 and don't do this again.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26731595.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by dang » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 6:44 PM UTC

omgwtfbbq wrote: post #459

tesmar2 wrote: post #456

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Well, it’s not just money. By lowering the taxes and regulatory environment, you increase individual freedoms. That’s worth a lot to Americans.

Sure, the freedom to be murdered in a mass shooting or go bankrupt due to a basic medical issue. I think much of the world thinks that the American "System" is rather disturbing and callous.

You've broken the site guidelines badly in this thread and you've been breaking them badly elsewhere too.

If you keep this up, we're going to have to ban you. Would you mind reviewing ;https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and using HN in the intended spirit? Nationalistic flamewar and other flamewar is off topic here, and personal attacks (e.g. in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26623262) are not welcome either.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by dang » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 6:49 PM UTC

dudul wrote: post #565

omgwtfbbq wrote: post #459

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Sure, the freedom to be murdered in a mass shooting or go bankrupt due to a basic medical issue. I think much of the world thinks that the American "System" is rather disturbing and callous.

And that's why nobody in the world wants to immigrate to the US.

Please don't perpetuate flamewars on HN. It makes the threads even worse.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by dang » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 6:52 PM UTC

rootusrootus wrote: post #492

gambiting wrote: post #404

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That's a really shitty argument though. Would I be happy to earn $100k a year? Sure I would. Would I give up my 28 days of paid holidays per year, unlimited sick leave, year long maternity leave, free healthcare, free education for my children, and yes, 3 months of notice that gives me incredible amount of stability in my life for that higher pay? Absolutely not. At will employment is an abomination of the American e…

I make a lot more than 100K, I have unlimited vacation, unlimited sick leave. Only 12 weeks of FMLA, so there's that. And healthcare isn't free anywhere in the world, just financed differently. I pay for my insurance from my paycheck, but the paycheck is so much larger that it works out fine. My deductible is zero, out-of-pocket maximum is zero, so it's not effectively much different than 'free' healthcare. I am well…

Please do not post nationalistic flamewar comments or other flamewar comments to HN. Your comment would have been fine without the last paragraph.

Btw, people's generalized ideas of the community are hopelessly dominated by cognitive bias: the bad (what you dislike) stands out more than the good (what you like), so you are far more likely to notice it and weight it more heavily. Everyone is subject to this bias, and nearly every dataless generalization people make about HN is an expression of it.

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Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by krapp » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 6:53 PM UTC

anoonmoose wrote: post #938

devmunchies wrote: post #632

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> if you exercise your right to offend people in my establishment, I have the right to toss you onto the pavement not anymore (if you are implying physical removal). you can't even apprehend shoplifters anymore without getting sued.

Purely literally, yes, you're correct, you can neither physically remove someone nor physically restrain someone, and this is a good thing, as the state has a monopoly on use of force. If you only "metaphorically" toss someone onto the pavement, though (tell them to leave the premises), you're fine, and can have the group who has a monopoly on force enforce that request if necessary.

Metaphorically, because we're really talking about whether "liberty" implies a "right to offend people" that precludes Twitch from being able to ban any account for any users' behavior. It does not. Especially not for the kind of egregious reasons they're stating.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by dang » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 6:58 PM UTC

rodgerd wrote: post #423

newbie789 wrote: post #250

Coming from the perspective of someone that was an admin of a medium-large forum back in the vBulletin heyday of the early 2000s, I’m somewhat amused by people getting angry at moderation decisions. The rules were pretty clear: This is my website. I pay the bills and maintain it. Here are some clear rules that if you break them, you will be punished with a ban/suspension/shadow an/redirect to goatse upon login/etc. a…

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Please stop posting ideological flamewar comments to HN. You've been doing it repeatedly and it's not what this site is for, regardless of what ideology you favor. We've warned you about this repeatedly. We ban accounts that ignore such requests. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and fix this, we'd appreciate it.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by devmunchies » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 7:00 PM UTC

anoonmoose wrote: post #938

devmunchies wrote: post #632

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> if you exercise your right to offend people in my establishment, I have the right to toss you onto the pavement not anymore (if you are implying physical removal). you can't even apprehend shoplifters anymore without getting sued.

Purely literally, yes, you're correct, you can neither physically remove someone nor physically restrain someone, and this is a good thing, as the state has a monopoly on use of force. If you only "metaphorically" toss someone onto the pavement, though (tell them to leave the premises), you're fine, and can have the group who has a monopoly on force enforce that request if necessary.

> this is a good thing, as the state has a monopoly on use of force

i disagree that its a good thing. The threat of a minor altercation from property owners helps maintain stability (emphasis on minor).

And the state having a monopoly on violence changes the dynamic of property, where the government can take whatever it wants from me (even my children) if they want to dream up a reason.