Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site • Hacker News Board

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by tesmar2 » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 4:07 PM UTC

omgwtfbbq wrote: post #926

tesmar2 wrote: post #818

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Sure, have all your money taken without a say to be given crap, rationed care, or most likely die waiting in line. And on top of that have no way defend yourself or your friends if a new dictator comes to town to send you off to a new summer camp.

>Sure, have all your money taken without a say to be given crap, rationed care, or most likely die waiting in line. Talk about strawman. By any objective measure the US healthcare system is the worst in the developed world.

You know, except for outcomes, research, etc.

Also good luck when Uncle Adolf comes to town.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by omgwtfbbq » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 4:09 PM UTC

dagw wrote: post #903

rootusrootus wrote: post #550

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> Unlimited paid sick leave? Yep. And unlimited paid vacation, too.

So if you said "I'm taking Jan-March off to go skiing" you just get to go chill in the alps for 3 month with full pay? Where are you working? Are they hiring?

Unlimited vacation as a perk at US tech companies and startups in particular is a total illusion. I'm sure they never use 4 weeks a year that most Europeans are legally entitled to and if they tried would probably find that it is not nearly as "unlimited" as advertised.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by Bud » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 4:21 PM UTC

falcolas wrote: post #731

Bud wrote: post #448

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Except this isn't a justice system, and doesn't have consequences remotely similar to a justice system. I've taken a -30 karma hit for this particular opinion already, despite very polite language. May as well go for -35.

Tell that to people who are now without jobs because of witchhunts. Jobs which are required in our society to have food on the table, a roof over your head. Some folks who have been dropped from Twitch thanks to mob justice - where there's no actual crime - can't find a job in the entertainment industry anymore. Imagine being completely blacklisted from your industry because you were reported to have made someone unc…

You're still misstating the issue; the "justice" in question isn't being executed by "vigilantes". It's a reaction of large institutions to someone's conduct.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by Bud » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 4:21 PM UTC

kansface wrote: post #884

Bud wrote: post #448

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Except this isn't a justice system, and doesn't have consequences remotely similar to a justice system. I've taken a -30 karma hit for this particular opinion already, despite very polite language. May as well go for -35.

How is losing your livelihood, potentially being blacklisted from the industry entirely, not commensurate to judicial punishment? That’s exactly the sort of punishment we impose on computer hackers.

If you can't tell the difference between that and jail, I'm not sure how I can explain it better to you.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by Grimlock » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 4:25 PM UTC

For anybody interested in a self-hosted alternative to twitch, owncast (https://github.com/owncast/owncast) is pretty easy to use and has a web interface that's rather twitch-like.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by kodah » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 4:42 PM UTC

TameAntelope wrote: post #493

paxys wrote: post #197

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It's hilarious that in a thread full of people hating on companies for deplatforming people for their opinions, you are getting massively downvoted for voicing your own opinion. Goes to show that no one really wants "free speech".

People who don't want free speech are usually the ones complaining about how other people exercise their free speech in ways that counter their own message. Like voting on comments, for example. That's free speech too. That said, HN is definitely not anything even remotely resembling a free speech platform, in concept or execution. It's the recruitment platform for Y Combinator, and all decisions are made here to opt…

You certainly misunderstand the purpose of HN and now it makes your earlier comments much more clear.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by lotsofpulp » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 5:03 PM UTC

remarkEon wrote: post #892

lotsofpulp wrote: post #844

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>Most email traffic is controlled by large providers, large providers which can denylist your mail servers for a myriad of vague reasoning which take forever to scrub yourself from. Most people choose to use email controlled by large providers. I choose to pay a company for my email needs. Others have that choice too. They can also choose not to use the large providers. It's open and free as in speech (excluding ille…

>I don't see how much more open and free (as in speech) it can get without taking away someone else's ability to do what they want with their computer. Do you understand why some of us are viewing this problem through an anti-trust or public utility lens now? In other words, "I don't understand how much more open and free (as in electricity) it can get without taking away someone else's ability to do what they want w…

>Do you understand why some of us are viewing this problem through an anti-trust or public utility lens now?

I'm also viewing it through a public utility lens. But Amazon's computers and Twilio's computers are not public utilities. The network (internet) is a public utility. I would say DNS and ICANN is a public utility also. Electrical power lines are a public utility. Roads are a public utility. But those are the components that are not feasible to duplicate, servers and data centers are.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by anoonmoose » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 5:22 PM UTC

devmunchies wrote: post #632

krapp wrote: post #620

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And if you exercise your right to offend people in my establishment, I have the right to toss you onto the pavement. Liberty is a two-edged sword, which is something a lot of people seem to have forgotten.

> if you exercise your right to offend people in my establishment, I have the right to toss you onto the pavement not anymore (if you are implying physical removal). you can't even apprehend shoplifters anymore without getting sued.

Purely literally, yes, you're correct, you can neither physically remove someone nor physically restrain someone, and this is a good thing, as the state has a monopoly on use of force.

If you only "metaphorically" toss someone onto the pavement, though (tell them to leave the premises), you're fine, and can have the group who has a monopoly on force enforce that request if necessary.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by taurath » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 5:24 PM UTC

listless wrote: post #917

taurath wrote: post #850

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They accomplished the goal of getting people to maybe think about police violence. It’s clear that lighter protests didn’t get any action or attention. If violence is so intolerable, I would like to see some calls for justice from those who seem more concerned about the protection of buildings than people’s lives. Stop pretending the violence came from nothing. I have friends with burns on their legs from getting hit…

I do believe that. Certainly violence begets more violence and the police are certainly not blameless. All of that said, lets be careful not to boil this down to property damage so we can justify it. 19 people died in those summer riots. The property destruction affected mostly poor areas and minority business owners. The duplicity is stunning and terrifying. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_and_controversies_d…

Not claiming its only property damage, sorry if I seemed to imply. I'm sorry you're afraid of what has happened and how its been covered. I think the protests themselves will ultimately lead us to a better place - though of course any violence is not helpful to get to that better place.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by thelean12 » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 5:47 PM UTC

ipaddr wrote: post #702

thelean12 wrote: post #284

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You are all getting way too caught up in terms. It doesn't matter. A company firing an employee for getting arrested is a very close situation to Twitch "firing" a streamer for getting arrested.

You can't fire a user. You can kick them off your platform. If I say come drink from my waterhose. At some point I dislike you and I say you can't drink here. You can't fire them. If google disables your email you didn't get fired you were kicked off the platform.

Did you miss my quotations? I said "fire" in quotations, obviously not meant to be taken literally.

And it's not quite like that. It's if someone comes up to you and says "Hey I can get a bunch of people to come and drink from your water hose. If I get enough can you pay me?" And then they get arrested for murder and you think maybe they should stop.