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Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by Proziam » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 4:27 AM UTC

WaxProlix wrote: post #792

Proziam wrote: post #757

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All the live footage I've seen from people who have actually gone suggests that it was as bad as people suggest. Things I've seen video of includes guys handing out guns to (what appear to be) minors, fights breaking out, and people getting assaulted for recording what is happening there.

Can you link to any of that? I lived nearby and it felt more like a street festival the times I went by. I know this stuff happened, but I genuinely never saw what it was like.

It seems most of the video was taken down like this one - https://www.facebook.com/163203180698293/posts/1165808300437...

Some things are still available though - https://www.bitchute.com/video/1Jr0ILcX9hY/

Social media seems to be doing a pretty good job of trying to pretend these things didn't exist.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by alfiedotwtf » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 4:28 AM UTC

ngokevin wrote: post #646

kodah wrote: post #253

I had to type in this box more times than I'm willing to admit to produce something that didn't violate the guidelines. Let's examine why this is problematic: - This will absolutely be leveraged on anyone in a precarious position. It's their ultimate out. Minority groups, majority groups, it doesn't matter - you're in trouble and need a platform to tell your story? Not happening on Twitch. Expect more to sign on to t…

"Terrorist activities, child sexual exploitation, violent extremism, credible threats of mass violence, carrying out or deliberately acting as an accomplice to sexual assault" falls under moralism and cancel culture? We've seen things that fester online that lead to real life tragedies or to the damaging of the fabric of democracy itself. Including insurrection on the US Capitol which took its roots on Twitter. There…

You say this as if that list is fixed for all of eternity. If you don't want to call this a slippery slope, then how about the thin end of the wedge.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by throwawaysea » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 4:29 AM UTC

ngokevin wrote: post #646

kodah wrote: post #253

I had to type in this box more times than I'm willing to admit to produce something that didn't violate the guidelines. Let's examine why this is problematic: - This will absolutely be leveraged on anyone in a precarious position. It's their ultimate out. Minority groups, majority groups, it doesn't matter - you're in trouble and need a platform to tell your story? Not happening on Twitch. Expect more to sign on to t…

"Terrorist activities, child sexual exploitation, violent extremism, credible threats of mass violence, carrying out or deliberately acting as an accomplice to sexual assault" falls under moralism and cancel culture? We've seen things that fester online that lead to real life tragedies or to the damaging of the fabric of democracy itself. Including insurrection on the US Capitol which took its roots on Twitter. There…

What took place at the Capitol wasn’t an insurrection or a coup (https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/01/06/why-this-wasnt-a-coup-c...). It was by and large a protest, like numerous past protests at the Capitol that didn’t generate the same media coverage due to bias (https://www.allsides.com/blog/capitol-hill-breach-riot-cover...). There were literally tens of thousands of people in DC for rallies and protests, including several thousand in front of the Capitol. A few hundred went past the barriers and almost all those who did, are only going to end up with a minor trespassing charge. Calling all of that an “insurrection” and claiming that Trump or rally organizers were “damaging the fabric of democracy” is not just hyperbolic, but explicitly false.

There is also definitely a slippery slope concern. It isn’t just illegal activities that are being censored on Twitter or Twitch or Facebook or elsewhere. If your opinion/perspective disagrees with progressives on some controversial topic like gender identity or guns or illegal immigration or the coronavirus, you will be censored even though you aren’t breaking any law. Such censorship has been normalized bit by bit over the last four years, and is exactly the slippery slope in action. And since it inhibits the exchange of ideas and free flow of political opinions in a system that depends on it, such censorship is the REAL damage to the fabric of democracy.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by lotsofpulp » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 4:29 AM UTC

kodah wrote: post #828

lotsofpulp wrote: post #822

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>Private companies now own most of the highways we use for speech, much less widespread speech. The highway is the one thing they do not own. They own exits on the highway. But no one is stopping anyone from sending emails. Or setting up their own website and messaging service. It is easier and cheaper today to to connect with others and express yourself without the need for private companies than it has ever been in…

> It is easier and cheaper today to to connect with others and express yourself without the need for private companies than it has ever been in the history of mankind. I'm glad you feel secure enough to say that out loud, and maybe from some perspective you are technically correct. But the comparison you gave about email is easily refutable. Most email traffic is controlled by large providers, large providers which c…

>Most email traffic is controlled by large providers, large providers which can denylist your mail servers for a myriad of vague reasoning which take forever to scrub yourself from.

Most people choose to use email controlled by large providers. I choose to pay a company for my email needs. Others have that choice too. They can also choose not to use the large providers. It's open and free as in speech (excluding illegal activities of course), but it's not effortless and not free as in beer.

I don't see how much more open and free (as in speech) it can get without taking away someone else's ability to do what they want with their computer.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by entropea » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 4:29 AM UTC

daenz wrote: post #783

mlazos wrote: post #746

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Except if you went to chaz, it was actually fine and the news blatantly exaggerated reality for advertising $$

I watched the mainstream news and I walked down the street. The vast majority of news coverage was very favorable to chaz/chop. It was extremely unsafe after sundown, made that way by the residents of chaz/chop. Source: I lived 2 blocks away

I lived about 4 blocks north and I can give you videos of cal anderson and the general capitol hill area being dangerous after sun down throughout the past 4-5 years if you'd like. Seattle is overall not a nice place to live unless you're in the suburbs or only exist indoors.

One night right outside my window, I witnessed a homeless man with a gun to his head, right out in the open, screaming "KILL ME MOTHERF***" to the guy screaming "GIVE ME MY MONEY". I've seen knife fights by both QFC's.

Everyone just normalizes it and like, finds an equilibrium when you live there.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by stonogo » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 4:30 AM UTC

cblconfederate wrote: post #714

tenebrisalietum wrote: post #10

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If your speech is really valuable you shouldn't depend on the free services of a privately-owned ad-supported company meant for streaming games to propagate it. Furthermore speech as the forefathers probably meant was people physically going to town squares and talking there. There is free press, which is what social media is more like, and the owner of a press has the right to decide what he/she will print--the Cons…

Then we need public services for communication to save the world from private dystopia, the same way we have public roads. Every country should set up a free mastodon account and email for every citizen. Plus i m not sure the principle of Free speech is that limited, speech doesnt count as speech if it cant reach anyone. And giving to a handful of employees the power to shape the messaging of millions is directly aff…

Perhaps you'd be interested in HAM radio or public-access TV. I don't see why the answer has to be national.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by sillysaurusx » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 4:33 AM UTC

pacerwpg wrote: post #806

This is probably directly related to harassment that streamer/youtuber Drift0r was subjected to at the hands of another streamer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqQLSCnUCVU

Thank you for the context!

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by garbagetime » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 4:33 AM UTC

darksaints wrote: post #836

garbagetime wrote: post #827

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The word is often taken to denote a violent uprising. The Capital protests weren't particularly violent - the protesters didn't kill anyone (not to mention they were hardly an uprising). >Your claims here are like saying that the civil war wasn't an insurrection because the confederacy didn't want to overthrow the US government, they just wanted to form a different government. There's not that much of a parallel. The…

> The word is often taken to denote a violent uprising. The Capital protests weren't particularly violent - the protesters didn't kill anyone. False. > There's not that much of a parallel. The Capital protesters wanted to show resistance to the election being stolen from what they saw as the legitimate winner. The Civil War was, like, a war, and way different in every way. It wasn't a war at first. The South Carolina…

> False.

What's false? Both the statements you quoted? I'll provide my reasoning for each.

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The first statement:

> The word is often taken to denote a violent uprising.

Here's the definition that pops up when you Google the word:

> a violent uprising against an authority or government.

Or from the Oxford English Dictionary:

> The action of rising in arms or open resistance against established authority or governmental restraint; with plural, an instance of this, an armed rising, a revolt; an incipient or limited rebellion.

I think this is enough to show that it is often taken to denote a violent uprising.

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The second statement:

> The Capital protests weren't particularly violent - the protesters didn't kill anyone.

The easiest response for me to make is a request: name one person the protesters killed. There was a lot of false reporting by the mainstream media at the time, so I don't particularly blame anyone for believing the protesters killed people. But it just doesn't seem to actually be the case. You can read an analysis of the violence here: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-false-and-exaggerated-c...

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Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by stonogo » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 4:35 AM UTC

paxys wrote: post #71

cik wrote: post #7

Is there any doubt that we've entered the era of approved, or not free speech. 'Severe misconduct' today means racist behaviour, perhaps tomorrow it means support for the NRA, or anti-environmental behaviour. The thought police have finally invaded ever part of society.

What was this magical era of free speech that people keep referring to?

From what I can work out, that era ended shortly after the Fairness Doctrine was removed.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by taurath » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 4:36 AM UTC

listless wrote: post #786

darepublic wrote: post #740

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The Chaz was worse wasn't it, there were more deaths, it lasted longer and the participants were given very charitable coverage. Violence and lawlessness is ok if you're on the right team basically.

Or burning down a police precinct. Or literally fire bombing federal buildings for MONTHS with virtually no consequences. And all the while politicians and media egg it on. The duplicity on the violence issue is both stunning and terrifying.

They accomplished the goal of getting people to maybe think about police violence. It’s clear that lighter protests didn’t get any action or attention. If violence is so intolerable, I would like to see some calls for justice from those who seem more concerned about the protection of buildings than people’s lives.

Stop pretending the violence came from nothing. I have friends with burns on their legs from getting hit by stun grenades while actually peacefully protesting. You won’t believe that, but you can find video after video of police actively attacking peaceful protestors.