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Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by anoncake »

TeeMassive wrote: post #764
ngokevin wrote: post #646

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"Terrorist activities, child sexual exploitation, violent extremism, credible threats of mass violence, carrying out or deliberately acting as an accomplice to sexual assault" falls under moralism and cancel culture? We've seen things that fester online that lead to real life tragedies or to the damaging of the fabric of democracy itself. Including insurrection on the US Capitol which took its roots on Twitter. There…

> We've seen things that fester online that lead to real life tragedies or to the damaging of the fabric of democracy itself. Including insurrection on the US Capitol which took its roots on Twitter. I find your comment quite one sided and exaggerated. There was no insurrection on the Capitol because there was no guns, no widespread weapon carry, no significant violence inside and no proof of an organization to actua…

> Contrary to popular belief, fascism and Nazism did not rise because of free speech, but because of speech suppression and narrative control (read propaganda) along side with a close collaboration with intelligence services that began as early as the 1920s.

Please cite some sources showing that the governments of the Weimar Republic – generally formed by conservative and liberal parties and frequently supported by the SPD – used propaganda and censorship to get themselves overthrown by the NSDAP.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by GauntletWizard »

ngokevin wrote: post #736
sneak wrote: post #689

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I would argue that Twitch would be wrong for banning even a convicted criminal whose publications themselves were legal. Censorship is abhorrent regardless of who you are censoring. Mein Kampf is available on amazon.com, for example.

I'm curious. If you are in charge of a public company with a platform. There's a pedophile known for trafficking CP (or even more vile offenses). There are headlines that you're giving them exposure. You don't consider not letting them on your platform?

No, Twitch would hire them as a content moderator, as they have in the past.

[1]https://kotaku.com/twitch-apologizes-over-recent-abuse-of-po... [2]https://boundingintocomics.com/2020/05/20/twitch-ceo-emmett-...

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by dagw »

rootusrootus wrote: post #550
gambiting wrote: post #507

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>>I make a lot more than 100K That's all well and good, but most Americans don't and therefore they cannot afford the same social benefits that nearly all EU citizens just have as standard. Yes, I am aware that you can live an extremely good life in America if you're rich. Most people aren't rich though. >>My deductible is zero, out-of-pocket maximum is zero, so it's not effectively much different than 'free' healthc…

> Unlimited paid sick leave? Yep. And unlimited paid vacation, too.

So if you said "I'm taking Jan-March off to go skiing" you just get to go chill in the alps for 3 month with full pay? Where are you working? Are they hiring?

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by imtringued »

ngokevin wrote: post #646
kodah wrote: post #253

I had to type in this box more times than I'm willing to admit to produce something that didn't violate the guidelines. Let's examine why this is problematic: - This will absolutely be leveraged on anyone in a precarious position. It's their ultimate out. Minority groups, majority groups, it doesn't matter - you're in trouble and need a platform to tell your story? Not happening on Twitch. Expect more to sign on to t…

"Terrorist activities, child sexual exploitation, violent extremism, credible threats of mass violence, carrying out or deliberately acting as an accomplice to sexual assault" falls under moralism and cancel culture? We've seen things that fester online that lead to real life tragedies or to the damaging of the fabric of democracy itself. Including insurrection on the US Capitol which took its roots on Twitter. There…

Cancel culture isn't about a company banning things, it's about an outrage mob getting angry to the point where it becomes untenable for a company to defend an individual that hasn't broken the law.

What you are talking about is something completely different. That's not even cancel culture. It's upholding the law and it requires zero opinions from a random outrage mob, you report the content, the company reviews it and immediately deletes it if it goes against the law. There is no petitioning required to pressure a company because the vast majority of companies delete content like that as soon as they can identify its illegal nature.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by Clampower »

ngokevin wrote: post #646
kodah wrote: post #253

I had to type in this box more times than I'm willing to admit to produce something that didn't violate the guidelines. Let's examine why this is problematic: - This will absolutely be leveraged on anyone in a precarious position. It's their ultimate out. Minority groups, majority groups, it doesn't matter - you're in trouble and need a platform to tell your story? Not happening on Twitch. Expect more to sign on to t…

"Terrorist activities, child sexual exploitation, violent extremism, credible threats of mass violence, carrying out or deliberately acting as an accomplice to sexual assault" falls under moralism and cancel culture? We've seen things that fester online that lead to real life tragedies or to the damaging of the fabric of democracy itself. Including insurrection on the US Capitol which took its roots on Twitter. There…

And all of this while twitch’s “Just Chatting” section is basically Soft Core porn, “hot tub streams” accessible to underage users, exploiting vulnerable, desperate people for insane amount of donations.

Twitch is definitely a slippery slope, especially in distributing soft core porn to underage kids.

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Post by sneak »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #807
staticman2 wrote: post #575

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A KKK member could presumably still buy food if banned from a grocery store for preaching hate speech at the grocery store, they would just have to hire someone to do the shopping for them. In America there is no right to food or shelter so I don't know why this concern is raised in a discussion of free speech?

> In America there is no right to food or shelter Yes, there definitely is. Food and shelter are vital to life. I seem to recall something about life liberty and happiness in some obscure little read part of the constitution. Let me know if you see it on a re-read. (Please don’t go off and try and claim that rights are things anyone else has to provide) Aside from the obvious issues with banning someone from buying f…

> Yes, there definitely is. Food and shelter are vital to life. I seem to recall something about life liberty and happiness in some obscure little read part of the constitution. Let me know if you see it on a re-read.

You are mistaken, and have confused the US declaration of independence (not a legal document, more of a philosophical one) with the US constitution (a binding legal document).

I did a re-read to be sure, as you suggested. I saw it in the declaration, not the constitution.

GP is right, however: you have a right to life, but nowhere in there do you have a right to not be kicked out of grocery stores and restaurants, or to be provided food by any second party.

I think perhaps you should tone down the condescension in your comment. :(

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by sneak »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #812
mindslight wrote: post #649

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Large enough quantitative differences create qualitative differences. If your hypothetical KKK member gets banned from a supermarket or two for preaching there, they can still go elsewhere. If your hypothetical KKK member tries preaching at one supermarket, and gets put on an industry-wide blacklist shared by all supermarkets out of an abundance of caution, then that collusion constitutes de facto government despite…

And to expand... When Twitch and Facebook and Twitter ban you... well, there is always another supermarket unless there isn’t.

Fortunately there are still millions of different websites and thousands of web hosts.

Being banned from the big and popular ones in the top 20 is at the moment only an inconvenience.

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Post by sneak »

baobabKoodaa wrote: post #886
sneak wrote: post #561

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No, I'm fine with any individual who sells food (or any other thing) being able to opt to not do business with anyone they like. That's a big difference from what you claimed. That's actually already true now (outside of protected classes). Any restaurant can ask KKK members to leave if they so desire. Same with any supermarket. Any individual proprietor having freedom of association is a long long way from "specific…

> No, I'm fine with any individual who sells food (or any other thing) being able to opt to not do business with anyone they like ... That's actually already true now (outside of protected classes). Man, the U.S. is a weird place. In Finland, for example, banks are forced to provide basic banking services to everyone, because access to basic banking services is considered to be more important than freedom of associat…

There are cities in the US with more people in them than all of Finland; I am not sure a direct comparison of the situations makes sense.

When you only have 6 million people in the whole country, a handful of banks, and 3 supermarkets, it might make sense to set the lever differently, although even that is open for some debate.

I think both Finland and the US are weird places. :)

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Post by yerwhat01010 »

stonogo wrote: post #838
listless wrote: post #786

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Or burning down a police precinct. Or literally fire bombing federal buildings for MONTHS with virtually no consequences. And all the while politicians and media egg it on. The duplicity on the violence issue is both stunning and terrifying.

I dunno, I tend to regard property damage and murder to be different things. I have been surprised to see how many people disagree, and I'm still trying to understand that perspective.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/us/body-minneapolis-prote...

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Post by chrisco255 »

kvia wrote: post #340
chrisco255 wrote: post #187

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And antitrust laws are designed precisely to prevent corporations from monopolizing and abusing market position. Freedom of speech means I have the right to hear from people I choose to assemble with. Monopolies dominating the market for speech and then dictating the terms of speech is an antitrust situation. Not least of which because by the same mechanisms they can use to silence political opponents they can use to…

The notion that any entity can "dominate the market for speech" is absurd. Freedom of speech doesn't mean you have a right to free eyeballs at 's expense. Freedom of speech and freedom of association mean that Twitter has the right to put or not put whatever it wants on its website.

https://www.sandvine.com/blog/netflix-vs.-google-vs.-amazon-...

"Over 43% of the internet is consumed by Netflix, Google, Amazon, Facebook, Microsoft, and Apple"

Not only that but some of these companies collude to limit access both from competition and political opposition.

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