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Particle mystery: physicists confirm the muon is more magnetic than predicted

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Re: Particle mystery: physicists confirm the muon is more magnetic than predicted

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Post by Arjuna144 »

podiki wrote: post #99
Arjuna144 wrote: post #81

hahah all this for some what? 10^(-6) or 10^(-5) discrepancy?! What about this age old 10^120 discrepancy that eveyone seems to be just fine about... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_constant_problem

People aren't "just fine" about dark energy. It is an entire field of study in physics/astronomy. A problem there is that we are quite stuck; some future experiments might tell us something (if it has changed over time for instance), but theoretically there aren't any stand out answers or ones that can see experimental confirmation soon.

Please read up on Dark Energy. It is quite fascinating that people do not make the connection. Dark Energy was invented because the theory does predict not enough energy. Meaning observation requires there to be WAAY more energy than what the theory predicts!

This vacuum catastrophe is completely different! The theory does predict WAAAAY, I mean WAAAAAAAAYYYYYY more energy than what was found in observations.

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Post by lgrebe »

kjs3 wrote: post #255
lgrebe wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sound like the hypothesized „subtle-matter“ as proposed by Dr. Klaus Volkamer [1]? - still looking for a better link than the Book… I’ll update this later [1] https://amzn.to/3mvvsWW

Maybe the muons are hitting the angels at a good fractions of the speed of light and the difference is the angel-splat. Maybe FERMI can contract Dr Klaus to come up the an experiment to measure the angel-goo and true the difference right up. Thanks for the link to an 'authoritative source'. :-)

Absolutely. there's this Paper from 1999[1] "Experimental Evidence of a New Type of Quantized Matter with Quanta as Integer Multiples of the Planck Mass" about how the weight of a closed system with a chemical reaction changes, violating the conservation of mass.

[1] https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.1....

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Post by lgrebe »

dan-robertson wrote: post #196
lgrebe wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sound like the hypothesized „subtle-matter“ as proposed by Dr. Klaus Volkamer [1]? - still looking for a better link than the Book… I’ll update this later [1] https://amzn.to/3mvvsWW

But if muons are inanimate, why would they be affected by this hypothesised “subtle matter” which makes up the soul of living things?

heres is a paper [1] from 1994 here the results of weighing thermodynamically closed reactions are "interpreted to reveal the existence of a heretofore unknown kind of non-bradyonic, cold dark matter with two different forms of interaction with normal matter"

[1] http://klaus-volkamer.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/1994-Vol...

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Post by ajkjk »

dogma1138 wrote: post #69
ajkjk wrote: post #52

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Yes, very much so. Forces are not really a thing in the Standard Model. There are symmetry groups attached to spacetime which lead to exchanges of gauge bosons which 'create' forces.

Aren’t forces in the standard model just fields which their quanta is gauge bosons (force carrying particles)?

Well yes. I would say it as: forces correspond to the bosonic fields (except perhaps the Higgs, not sure if that can be regarded as a force), which do not 'take up space' as fermionic fields do.

But the point I was making is just that modern physics has already done away with the concept of Force, as in, things pushing each other from afar. It is quite a bit more complicated (and yet more elegant) than that.

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Post by alexlarsson »

outworlder wrote: post #152
davidivadavid wrote: post #37

Physics noob question: is there any physical framework that does away with the concept of "force"? I know a bit about how it is reconceptualized as space-time deformation in the context of general relativity, but that's about it. It just seems like one of those inherently anthropocentric concepts that (potentially) holds us back from exploring something different?

> It just seems like one of those inherently anthropocentric concepts that (potentially) holds us back from exploring something different? This is something I struggle with. I know that physics originated from an experimental framework. We observe phenomena, then we try to come up with explanations for said phenomena, formulate hypothesis, then test them. That is fine. But this breaks down when the 'fundamental force…

From feynman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO0r930Sn_8

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Post by dguest »

evanb wrote: post #260
atty wrote: post #167

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The old calculation relies on older experimental results that have been verified by multiple experiments - so if the older value is wrong, it means either the calculation was done wrong (possible), or the experiments all have had a significant correlated systematic error that has never been caught (also possible). However, I’d say both of those things are relatively unlikely, when compared to the probability of some…

I'm a lattice QCD practitioner. What I'll say is that the BMW collaboration isn't named that by coincidence---they're a resource-rich, extremely knowledgeable, cutting-edge group that is the envy of many others. They're also cut-throat competitive, which is very divisive. Grad students and postdocs are forced to sign NDAs to work on the hot stuff. That's insane. What's worse, from my point of view (as an actual LQCD…

Saying they treat their code as secret sauce is a pretty damming accusation for scientists. I've seen a few other cases where relatively closed groups of otherwise top-notch scientists claim an interesting discovery [1,2], and then turn out to be wrong. It rarely ends anyone's career and the fiasco tends to fade in a few years, but it leads to a bit of a media circus, for better or worse, and is mostly distracting for the field as a whole.

I know nothing about this collaboration, but if what you say is true this isn't good science.

[1]: https://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=3643

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DAMA/NaI

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Post by aasasd »

jhoutromundo wrote: post #198
nyc640 wrote: post #38

There was a nice explanation of the finding in comic format from APS & PhD Comics: https://physics.aps.org/articles/v14/47

Let me say that this is the best thing that I ever saw in science: people using art to explain extremely complex findings that might change the future in a bit. I laughed a bit on 'I don't know you anymore'. When I was younger, I remember to read cyberpunk comics quite a lot. They explain a vision of the future that is improbable, but in many ways it get stuff right. Imagine aligning this with real word science. Imag…

> They explain a vision of the future that is improbable

We're currently heading into cyberpunk in basically every aspect except for the anarchy. More like totalitarian cyberpunk. It's left to see whether tech gives us the means for a semblance of anarchy, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

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Post by Crash0v3rid3 »

dimator wrote: post #253
seventytwo wrote: post #164

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PBS, man. Just steadily and reliably educating everyone for years now. Good shit.

SpaceTime (that channel) in general is of impeccable quality and production value. Definitely worth subscribing.

Worth the patreon contribution also.

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Post by fsloth »

lgrebe wrote: post #87
nyc640 wrote: post #38

There was a nice explanation of the finding in comic format from APS & PhD Comics: https://physics.aps.org/articles/v14/47

This sound like the hypothesized „subtle-matter“ as proposed by Dr. Klaus Volkamer [1]? - still looking for a better link than the Book… I’ll update this later [1] https://amzn.to/3mvvsWW

"Weightable soul". Sounds like a con-man, who wants only the most foolish of marks to make his job as easy as possible, and hence begins his script "I am about to hoax you...but I have something very important to tell you" - and those that remain after that are proven suckers and can be taken to any sort of ride.

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Post by Arjuna144 »

shrimpx wrote: post #223
lolthishuman wrote: post #215

It’s simple. The universe is electromagnetic. The Bose-Einstein condensate is the aether in most dense form. Everything evaporates into lower densities by means of rotation via the torus and vortices. Everything is pressure finding equilibrium spread throughout densities in fluid. Easy to reason about. The sun is hollow and incompressible aether inside, which is why it’s cold. The surface is electromagnetic activated…

Is there legitimate support for this hollow sun theory, or is this a fringe theory like flat earth and so on?

I dont know about hollow suns and stuff. But what he said in the beginning has some reason.

Check some of this guys papers: https://file.scirp.org/Html/8-2180368_91083.htm

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