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Particle mystery: physicists confirm the muon is more magnetic than predicted

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Re: Particle mystery: physicists confirm the muon is more magnetic than predicted

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What is everyones favorite book on quantum mechanics (I would love understand more of the 3 generations of matter)?

Mine is Sakurai's "Modern Quantum Mechanics." But it sounds like you're really asking which book would be good for you to learn about quantum mechanics and also the Standard Model of particle physics.

I would not just throw someone into Sakurai starting from scratch.

Re: Particle mystery: physicists confirm the muon is more magnetic than predicted

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The Quanta write up is a bit more neutral on this announcement. There is a computational result that was not included in the theoretical value used to bench the test against. Once reviewed, this difference may yet go back to oblivion. https://www.quantamagazine.org/muon-g-2-experiment-at-fermil...

To clarify, for those not familiar with this topic, this experiment is making measurements at such exquisite precision that even the calculations for the theoretical prediction are extremely non-trivial and require careful estimation of many many pieces which are then combined. Which is to say that debugging the theoretical prediction is (almost) as hard as debugging the experiment. So I would expect the particle physics community to be extremely circumspect while the details get ironed out.

The Quanta article explains it quite nicely. To quote their example of what has happened in the past:

> ”A year after Brookhaven’s headline-making measurement, theorists spotted a mistake in the prediction. A formula representing one group of the tens of thousands of quantum fluctuations that muons can engage in contained a rogue minus sign; fixing it in the calculation reduced the difference between theory and experiment to just two sigma. That’s nothing to get excited about.”

Re: Particle mystery: physicists confirm the muon is more magnetic than predicted

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What is everyones favorite book on quantum mechanics (I would love understand more of the 3 generations of matter)?

Sakurai, but it won't help you understand the 3 generations of matter because we don't understand why there are 3 generations at all. If you just want to learn particle physics, you can do worse than just reading the review sections of the PDG (pdg.lbl.gov)

And it's probably not a great beginner's text, even though it's really good.

Re: Particle mystery: physicists confirm the muon is more magnetic than predicted

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post #19

The Quanta write up is a bit more neutral on this announcement. There is a computational result that was not included in the theoretical value used to bench the test against. Once reviewed, this difference may yet go back to oblivion. https://www.quantamagazine.org/muon-g-2-experiment-at-fermil...

That new alternative approach is considered substantially less reliable by most experts.

https://mobile.twitter.com/dangaristo/status/137982536595107...

From Gordan Krnjaic at Fermilab:

> if the lattice result [new approach] is mathematically sound then there would have to be some as yet unknown correlated systematic error in many decades worth of experiments that have studied e+e- annihilation to hadrons

> alternatively, it could mean that the theoretical techniques that map the experimental data onto the g-2 prediction could be subtly wrong for currently unknown reasons, but I have not heard of anyone making this argument in the literature

https://mobile.twitter.com/GordanKrnjaic/status/137984412453...

Re: Particle mystery: physicists confirm the muon is more magnetic than predicted

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post #34

With 19 free parameters in the standard model, can't they fit any experimental result by adjusting a "constant"?

Sure they can fit any experimental result that way, they can probably fit any 19 experimental results that way, but in general if you would freely adjust a constant to fit one experiment then it would stop fitting other experiments.

Re: Particle mystery: physicists confirm the muon is more magnetic than predicted

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Physics noob question: is there any physical framework that does away with the concept of "force"?

I know a bit about how it is reconceptualized as space-time deformation in the context of general relativity, but that's about it.

It just seems like one of those inherently anthropocentric concepts that (potentially) holds us back from exploring something different?

Re: Particle mystery: physicists confirm the muon is more magnetic than predicted

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post #34

With 19 free parameters in the standard model, can't they fit any experimental result by adjusting a "constant"?

Sure they can fit any experimental result that way, they can probably fit any 19 experimental results that way, but in general if you would freely adjust a constant to fit one experiment then it would stop fitting other experiments.

Do we need TDD for particle physics so CI could run tests on what experiments break when merging a theory
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