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Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

sneak wrote: post #681
exporectomy wrote: post #636

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you draw a line between religion (protected class) and other ideologies/oragnizations/beliefs that you don't want protection for? Where do, eg Scientologists, Pastafarians, and cult members fit? Is it right to be able to exclude Islamists (political ideology) despite them being Muslims (religion)?

The state has already drawn those lines, and does not recognize KKK membership as a religion. The legal lines for what is or isn't protected are fairly well defined, by people other than me. My own personal opinions and beliefs on the matter don't count for anything.

> The state has already drawn those lines,

And surely the state is never one or two elections from redrawing those lines to include you right? That would be impossible right? You have all the “correct” ideas... and I’m sure those KKK spectres don’t think the same damn thing.

You’re right; let’s not be good, just, or ethical to anyone the state doesn’t force us to. ESP when their only crime is thinking the wrong thing. That’s a really good system that would surely never bite the wrong people in the ass.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

mindslight wrote: post #649
sneak wrote: post #561

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No, I'm fine with any individual who sells food (or any other thing) being able to opt to not do business with anyone they like. That's a big difference from what you claimed. That's actually already true now (outside of protected classes). Any restaurant can ask KKK members to leave if they so desire. Same with any supermarket. Any individual proprietor having freedom of association is a long long way from "specific…

Large enough quantitative differences create qualitative differences. If your hypothetical KKK member gets banned from a supermarket or two for preaching there, they can still go elsewhere. If your hypothetical KKK member tries preaching at one supermarket, and gets put on an industry-wide blacklist shared by all supermarkets out of an abundance of caution, then that collusion constitutes de facto government despite…

And to expand...

When Twitch and Facebook and Twitter ban you... well, there is always another supermarket unless there isn’t.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by eschaton »

ngokevin wrote: post #658
twobitshifter wrote: post #516

> It said examples of this “severe misconduct” include terrorist activities, child sexual exploitation, violent extremism, credible threats of mass violence, carrying out or deliberately acting as an accomplice to sexual assault and threatening Twitch or its staff. What points here will not already lead to jail time and an outright ban from all social activities? The bans are for criminal acts that are outside of fre…

Yeah, I think many people speaking out against "cancel culture" did not read the article. Few people would argue that Twitch would be wrong to ban a pedophile sharing CP or a domestic terrorist.

Or the objectors understood it quite well, and their true objection is that being held accountable for bigoted or violent rhetoric might actually affect them or others they care about, or may reduce the spread of ideologies with which the agree.

Personally, I’m glad Twitch is doing this. We don’t need people recruiting for the Klan or the Proud Boys also running gaming streams to gain audience.

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Post by ABeeSea »

mlindner wrote: post #234
ABeeSea wrote: post #41

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Freedom of Association is a 1st amendment right. That isn’t cancel culture (which isn’t a real thing.)

If it isn't a thing, why does a wikipedia page exist for it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancel_culture You can say you disagree with "cancel culture" being used pejoratively, but it absolutely exists in the minds of many.

Lots of things have wiki pages. Godzilla has Wikipedia page and exists in the minds of many. Doesn’t mean Godzilla is real.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by darksaints »

darepublic wrote: post #752
mlazos wrote: post #746

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Except if you went to chaz, it was actually fine and the news blatantly exaggerated reality for advertising $$

I'm sure it was mostly fine, in the same way if you stuck to certain places in the capital riots the majority of the people congregated were peaceful. The Chaz also usurped local businesses, there were plenty of firearms and at least five shootings. This is indisputable. Now you will say those are just bad apples, but you wouldn't give the same leniency to the capital riots would you. Also the leaders of the Chaz bar…

50 people were murdered in Seattle in 2020. One of them happened in Chaz, the rest happened under the full protection of the Seattle PD.

Maybe the reason why people don't make a big deal about the Chaz is because it literally was not any worse than it would have been with the SPD around, and in many ways it was better. The fact of the matter is that Seattle sans police is virtually indistinguishable from Seattle with police. Unfortunately, facts often do not sell ads for pillows and gold that target two-bit Trump supporters.

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Post by [deleted] »

kodah wrote: post #253

I had to type in this box more times than I'm willing to admit to produce something that didn't violate the guidelines. Let's examine why this is problematic: - This will absolutely be leveraged on anyone in a precarious position. It's their ultimate out. Minority groups, majority groups, it doesn't matter - you're in trouble and need a platform to tell your story? Not happening on Twitch. Expect more to sign on to t…

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Post by tesmar2 »

omgwtfbbq wrote: post #459
tesmar2 wrote: post #456

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Well, it’s not just money. By lowering the taxes and regulatory environment, you increase individual freedoms. That’s worth a lot to Americans.

Sure, the freedom to be murdered in a mass shooting or go bankrupt due to a basic medical issue. I think much of the world thinks that the American "System" is rather disturbing and callous.

Sure, have all your money taken without a say to be given crap, rationed care, or most likely die waiting in line.

And on top of that have no way defend yourself or your friends if a new dictator comes to town to send you off to a new summer camp.

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Post by judge2020 »

NoOneNew wrote: post #517
judge2020 wrote: post #239

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And what sort of incitement is coming from the left? is it "socialize healthcare" or "we should throw molotovs at protests", because the latter isn't allowed on Twitch either.

Because the Summer of Love 2020 was so peaceful and innocent from either side of politics... seriously, get over it. Both the left and the right are cut from same cloth. They'll torch whoever doesn't agree with giving them the power. Both sides are just different flavors of control. Let's not forget how it was Trump's DHS that was mistreating folks on the border back in the day. Is it still Trump calling the shots on…

Regardless of which flavor of capitalism is currently being pushed[0], this thread is about private platforms being able to exercise their first amendment right to choose who they associate with, which is why Twitch is allowed to ban people for their political views and Parler is also allowed to ban people for 'left-wing trolling'[1].

0: https://redd.it/jpuxrv (warning: politicalcompassmemes humor)

1: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200627/23551144803/as-pr...

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by OptionX »

Regardless if you think this is good or bad one things I think bears pointing out. Twitch banning process has no accountability. They can ban you for however slight or even perceived and for a lot of people it means a loss of their livelihood and they don't have to justify to anyone. And it not very hard to frame it on breaking some deliberately vague rule.

Now I don't think that is much of leap to understand the chilling effect that would have. And you can be okay with that. It all to fight wrongthink anyway. But remember twitch is owned by amazon, a company the is running at the moment a disinformation campaign against its own workers effort to unionize.

So twitch may enforce rules that align with your own beliefs right now, but they are not on anyone's side but their own and if suits them to go against those very same believe there is no one to stop them. I don't really want such a entity presiding over the morality of my life, would you?

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