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Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by saurik »

Areibman wrote: post #66

It's strange to see a company that once prided itself on active engagement with its users to find product-market fit antagonize its content creators so much. And as a user, it gives me the perception that the platform is just plainly unfair. (Plus the platform is unusable without Adblock). Top streamers have been banned or lost partnerships for playing their own music[0], stating controversial political opinions[1][2…

To verify, the aforementioned "magic" includes a strong network effect / community aspect? Or is the issue that the tech and UI is particularly well-optimized for this use case and if someone else could only get it write it would be easy for streamers to use it instead?

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by zp33 »

madamelic wrote: post #424
ipaddr wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like you have spent a few hours enjoying her channel. There isn't anything wrong with that content. More innocent content is getting sexualized as we speak. She is playing into one aspect. Denying young people sexualized content means they will create sexualized content out of things not designed to be sexual in nature.

Genuinely it makes me uncomfortable to watch her. It is pure dissonance. She is probably a lovely person and as I said, I fully support her business. I just wish Twitch would stop the double standard. They either need to make an 18+ category or they need to stop allowing streaming softcore porn.

whats the double standard? A girl showing cleavage and jumping up and down is not softcore porn.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by pc86 »

zouhair wrote: post #530
newbie789 wrote: post #250

Coming from the perspective of someone that was an admin of a medium-large forum back in the vBulletin heyday of the early 2000s, I’m somewhat amused by people getting angry at moderation decisions. The rules were pretty clear: This is my website. I pay the bills and maintain it. Here are some clear rules that if you break them, you will be punished with a ban/suspension/shadow an/redirect to goatse upon login/etc. a…

> This is literally how the internet has worked forever. I don't know what specific fallacy is this, but stating that how it always worked does not mean it should have worked that way or that it should never change. Twitch would not exists without content creators. Neither would exist without the other. In that relationship Twitch has the last word on everything. I would argue that it shouldn't be this way or at leas…

Why though?

They don't own Twitch. They didn't take any of the economic risk to start it. They're not on the hook for covering its server bills if revenue craters. If they wanted to put their money where their mouth is and buy a piece of the company proper, the current owners might be open to that, who knows.

But you don't typically get to run a company you didn't start, haven't invested a dime in, and can walk away from at any moment, unless you're willing to take on some of the risk. Risk is what gets you the rewards.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by YarickR2 »

ttt0 wrote: post #371
newbie789 wrote: post #250

Coming from the perspective of someone that was an admin of a medium-large forum back in the vBulletin heyday of the early 2000s, I’m somewhat amused by people getting angry at moderation decisions. The rules were pretty clear: This is my website. I pay the bills and maintain it. Here are some clear rules that if you break them, you will be punished with a ban/suspension/shadow an/redirect to goatse upon login/etc. a…

> I can also ban you if I don’t like you. Or if I think it’s funny, or really any other reason. Yeah, just like a game server admin that banned you simply because he lost to you in a game. Everyone loved them. Just because you can abuse your powers doesn't mean you should. If social media that are influencing the outcome of the elections (reminder that we're in the middle of Covid lockdowns) are not aware that they s…

Does it ("social media influencing elections->government should step in") also apply to traditional media ?

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by refenestrator »

choppaface wrote: post #480
redm wrote: post #8

"The company said users will be able to report such behaviors but it may also investigate cases proactively, for instance if there is a verified news report that a user has been arrested." So we've arrived at "innocent until accused" instead of "innocent until proven guilty"? And if proven guilty, they will both be punished under the law, and again by companies like Twitch? If proven innocent will they be restored? W…

The lack of the internet is the original cancel culture. Before the internet, it was easy for speech to get confined to some small region due to financial status, ethnicity, etc. The internet fundamentally counter-acts cancel culture. However, the “right to free speech” does NOT imply a right to be heard. Internet entities can and will do stupid things that interfere with individual expression, but they don’t trample…

You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.

Now that access to large broadcast mediums is the norm, it's absolutely a blow to free speech to selectively censor some of it. Maybe we choose to make tradeoffs, but let's do so with our eyes open.

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Post by koluna »

What’s being missed in this thread is that nobody (streamers) is an employee of Twitch - Twitch graciously offers them their platform, but that’s like your local fruit stand offering you a place to juggle next to it. They can take that away at any point because you are not their employee. If you had some legally enforceable contract, maybe there was a leg to stand on. Otherwise, twitch is under no obligation to give anyone a platform.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by michaelmrose »

rootusrootus wrote: post #492
gambiting wrote: post #404

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a really shitty argument though. Would I be happy to earn $100k a year? Sure I would. Would I give up my 28 days of paid holidays per year, unlimited sick leave, year long maternity leave, free healthcare, free education for my children, and yes, 3 months of notice that gives me incredible amount of stability in my life for that higher pay? Absolutely not. At will employment is an abomination of the American e…

I make a lot more than 100K, I have unlimited vacation, unlimited sick leave. Only 12 weeks of FMLA, so there's that. And healthcare isn't free anywhere in the world, just financed differently. I pay for my insurance from my paycheck, but the paycheck is so much larger that it works out fine. My deductible is zero, out-of-pocket maximum is zero, so it's not effectively much different than 'free' healthcare. I am well…

If a lot more than 100k is 150k you make more than 92% of Americans. At 180k it's more than 95% of Americans.

We are all really happy for you but most people aren't in the same boat comparing Europe and America based on how well it works out for the wealthy doesn't seem useful.

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Post by ta20210405 »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #198
adzzzz wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was no "red scare". Joe McCarthy was simply holding Communists accountable for their beliefs.

This is such an apt retort that I'm sure people are downvoting you out of pure cognitive dissonance.

It's insanely apt and spot on. I'm going to be using it from now on.

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Post by refenestrator »

TameAntelope wrote: post #339
kodah wrote: post #253

I had to type in this box more times than I'm willing to admit to produce something that didn't violate the guidelines. Let's examine why this is problematic: - This will absolutely be leveraged on anyone in a precarious position. It's their ultimate out. Minority groups, majority groups, it doesn't matter - you're in trouble and need a platform to tell your story? Not happening on Twitch. Expect more to sign on to t…

I think it's an interesting consequence of accountability, that the people being held accountable tend to vocally dislike being held accountable, but don't want to say so for some reason. It'd honestly be pretty refreshing for a leader to come out and say, "I don't think my actions should be held against me like your actions should be held against you because I'm special/different." Insane, but refreshingly honest. F…

Held accountable by whom? We didn't elect twitch.

Who decides who needs to be held accountable, and for what? Shouldn't that be the justice system?

Twitch mentioned proactively banning people who are arrested, without using the word 'convicted'. Which demographics is that likely to affect?

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by c1337us »

dimgl wrote: post #32
secondcoming wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Posting racist stuff just means you're stupid and the company made a mistake in hiring you.

The issue with this sentiment is that while some things are blatantly racist, there are other things that aren't so black and white. This is one of those slippery slopes where if left unchecked, anything and everything will be considered racist. Also, you don't have to have good morals or even be intelligent to be good at your job. Some people are fantastic at their job, but are pretty damn "stupid" as you put it.

> if left unchecked, anything and everything will be considered racist.

Interesting that you feel that way. It's certainly not something I'm worried about.

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