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Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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"The company said users will be able to report such behaviors but it may also investigate cases proactively, for instance if there is a verified news report that a user has been arrested." So we've arrived at "innocent until accused" instead of "innocent until proven guilty"? And if proven guilty, they will both be punished under the law, and again by companies like Twitch? If proven innocent will they be restored? W…

So you want the government to force private companies to continue doing business with someone they no longer wish to provide services to? We aren't talking protected class here, we're talking private companies picking and choosing who to do business with via non-discriminatory means. That's called a free market. Will they be restored if they're proven innocent? Maybe. Maybe not. Again, that's called a free market.

You just described a big part of why people do not like free markets. Corporations are allowed to accumulate an enormous amount of power and then use that power to abuse whoever they want (aside from a sliver of circumstances covered as protected classes).

I think want most people want is a reasonable middle ground, not unchecked corporate power.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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post #24

My employer can fire me for severe misconduct that occurs away from the office. Is that any different? Isn't this normal at most companies?

What about your ISP or electrical company or other service provider? Can they shut you off because you did or said something they don't like? What about your payment provider or your bank?

Twitch are providing a service to streamers, they are not employing them.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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post #59

Are corporations the new government? New form of legal or justice system?

That's of course a stretch, no corporations aren't governments and aren't a new form of legal system. They are still subject to regulation. But I get your sentiment. I see an interesting point here: corporations like Twitch, while registered in a specific country (here the US) have a global reach. But their culture and set of rules is generally uniform, and heavily influenced by the country the company is from. Twitc…

> They are still subject to regulation

Not according to Section 230.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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post #30

Imagine if ISPs had rules like this. Oh, somebody from your company said or did something we don't like? We will suspend services for your company to combat this behavior.

Well, they are doing that, just not quite as much yet.

To the extent they're not, the difference is that ISPs don't have their logo on the services they host.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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It's strange to see a company that once prided itself on active engagement with its users to find product-market fit antagonize its content creators so much. And as a user, it gives me the perception that the platform is just plainly unfair. (Plus the platform is unusable without Adblock). Top streamers have been banned or lost partnerships for playing their own music[0], stating controversial political opinions[1][2…

To be clear, the controversial political opinions you believe should be platformed by Twitch are:

"If that means white redneck militia dudes mowing down dipshit protesters that think they can torch buildings at 10 PM, at this point they have my fucking blessing."

and

"America Deserved 9/11"?

Because those are the literal quotes from things that got people pulled from Twitch and you've labelled "controversial political opinions." I'm sorry, but suggesting that we unilaterally kill innocent people or that innocent people deserved to be killed by terrorists is absolutely beyond the pale and should result in consequences like losing partnerships or facing suspensions.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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post #24

My employer can fire me for severe misconduct that occurs away from the office. Is that any different? Isn't this normal at most companies?

> My employer can fire me for severe misconduct that occurs away from the office.

I'm certain it would be considered wrongful dismissal in many jurisdiction.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure why you say "arrived". People have always been fired for arrests at some companies. Twitch is basically their employer, so it's not much different here. Whether it should be allowed or not by law can be a different discussion, but we don't have to pretend that this is new

Twitch is not their employer. Twitch collects money from them.

Twitch collects money from viewers, and pays money to them.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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post #60

Because this is always brought up, I will remark that I believe what the majority of commenters likely mean by free speech is the principle itself, and not the restrictions imposed on the government by the First Amendment. First and foremost, free speech is a moral principle. Secondly, while private companies can do what they want, that does not mean they should . Private companies like Apple can avoid taxes, yet man…

The fundamental problem always will be that a company running a large and popular platform on the internet has operating costs and wants to make money. The only reasonable way to do that right now is via advertising, and these advertisers only want safe, family friendly content to not tarnish their brand.

I would love it if there was a similar platform with a monthly fee free of advertiser influence, but it's impossible to get a critical mass of people to pay for it.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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post #111
post #8

"The company said users will be able to report such behaviors but it may also investigate cases proactively, for instance if there is a verified news report that a user has been arrested." So we've arrived at "innocent until accused" instead of "innocent until proven guilty"? And if proven guilty, they will both be punished under the law, and again by companies like Twitch? If proven innocent will they be restored? W…

So you want the government to force private companies to continue doing business with someone they no longer wish to provide services to? We aren't talking protected class here, we're talking private companies picking and choosing who to do business with via non-discriminatory means. That's called a free market. Will they be restored if they're proven innocent? Maybe. Maybe not. Again, that's called a free market.

no such thing as free market under natural monopolies enforced by network effects.
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