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Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by Analemma_ »

fX0rObfoMN4 wrote: post #50
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we've arrived at "innocent until accused" instead of "innocent until proven guilty" For a platform like Twitch, this is fine. They have a brand. They’re akin to a modern television channel, and television has always been this ruthless. There are lots of other streaming sites.

If someone who stream on Twitch does something bad off of Twitch, would people blame Twitch for that? I know I wouldn't.

People can, and do. At any given moment you can probably find at least one hashtag campaign excoriating Twitch for having not banned some streamer for something for other.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by sigzero »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #13
redm wrote: post #8

"The company said users will be able to report such behaviors but it may also investigate cases proactively, for instance if there is a verified news report that a user has been arrested." So we've arrived at "innocent until accused" instead of "innocent until proven guilty"? And if proven guilty, they will both be punished under the law, and again by companies like Twitch? If proven innocent will they be restored? W…

> we've arrived at "innocent until accused" instead of "innocent until proven guilty" For a platform like Twitch, this is fine. They have a brand. They’re akin to a modern television channel, and television has always been this ruthless. There are lots of other streaming sites.

This is not "fine". This is in fact "bad".

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by theandrewbailey »

tenebrisalietum wrote: post #10
cik wrote: post #7

Is there any doubt that we've entered the era of approved, or not free speech. 'Severe misconduct' today means racist behaviour, perhaps tomorrow it means support for the NRA, or anti-environmental behaviour. The thought police have finally invaded ever part of society.

If your speech is really valuable you shouldn't depend on the free services of a privately-owned ad-supported company meant for streaming games to propagate it. Furthermore speech as the forefathers probably meant was people physically going to town squares and talking there. There is free press, which is what social media is more like, and the owner of a press has the right to decide what he/she will print--the Cons…

We arguably gave up that freedom when governments started forcing people to bake cakes with specific messages.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by danlugo92 »

paxys wrote: post #89
goatcode wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some time up until people started getting the internet on their phones, roughly. Of course, no definition is perfect.

Before people had internet it was ~5 media companies that decided what could be said in public and who could say it. It was hardly as "free" as people imagine.

He did not say "before internet".

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by marcinzm »

goatcode wrote: post #83
paxys wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What was this magical era of free speech that people keep referring to?

Some time up until people started getting the internet on their phones, roughly. Of course, no definition is perfect.

Before then we had control of most media by a small set of companies (with many fun documented examples of people being blacklisted for going against the owners). Before that we had the Television Code, Comic Code, and so on. Before that we had McCarthyism.

Public and media speech was always moderated. In the past it was simply harder to notice since there were fewer un-moderated channels.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by Alupis »

redm wrote: post #8

"The company said users will be able to report such behaviors but it may also investigate cases proactively, for instance if there is a verified news report that a user has been arrested." So we've arrived at "innocent until accused" instead of "innocent until proven guilty"? And if proven guilty, they will both be punished under the law, and again by companies like Twitch? If proven innocent will they be restored? W…

We may be arriving at a time and place where we must consider broadening the scope of the First Amendment to not just apply to government.

I'm fully aware there's good reason for organizations and companies to limit free speech, but it often (lately) has gone way too far, dabbling in political witch hunting.

I can think of few things less inline with classical American Constitutional ideals than to cheer on organizations that hunt down individuals and silence them for thoughts expressed on other platforms.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by lgleason »

I'd be fine with this if they would strip companies like this from having section 230 protections and allowed anybody to sue for liable for anything on their platform. The banning for conduct off the platform should be seen for what it is, namely discrimination that will not be applied equally to everyone. If you are a right wing person, the bar will be low for bans, but if you are an active Antifa type the bar for being banned with be much higher.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by kube-system »

s7atic wrote: post #42
weego wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumption of innocence is a legal principle and does not and will never apply to a corporation providing you services at their own discretion.

No, presumption of innocence is first and foremost a moral principle. Our legal systems are reflections of our collective morals.

Presumption of evidence is morally important because the force of the state is ultimate: they can deprive a person of life and liberty as a consequence.

The suggestion that it is immoral for a different standard being applied to a private clubhouse is not something that was supported by the influential thinkers who gave us the former idea.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by Judgmentality »

Alupis wrote: post #96
redm wrote: post #8

"The company said users will be able to report such behaviors but it may also investigate cases proactively, for instance if there is a verified news report that a user has been arrested." So we've arrived at "innocent until accused" instead of "innocent until proven guilty"? And if proven guilty, they will both be punished under the law, and again by companies like Twitch? If proven innocent will they be restored? W…

We may be arriving at a time and place where we must consider broadening the scope of the First Amendment to not just apply to government. I'm fully aware there's good reason for organizations and companies to limit free speech, but it often (lately) has gone way too far, dabbling in political witch hunting. I can think of few things less inline with classical American Constitutional ideals than to cheer on organizat…

> I can think of fewer things less inline with classical American Constitutional ideals than to cheer on organizations that hunt down individuals and silence them for thoughts expressed on other platforms.

The moderation team of twitch is pretty much universally hated by the internet. I don't think anybody is cheering them on.

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