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Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by ABeeSea »

redm wrote: post #8

"The company said users will be able to report such behaviors but it may also investigate cases proactively, for instance if there is a verified news report that a user has been arrested." So we've arrived at "innocent until accused" instead of "innocent until proven guilty"? And if proven guilty, they will both be punished under the law, and again by companies like Twitch? If proven innocent will they be restored? W…

Freedom of Association is a 1st amendment right. That isn’t cancel culture (which isn’t a real thing.)

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by s7atic »

weego wrote: post #20
redm wrote: post #8

"The company said users will be able to report such behaviors but it may also investigate cases proactively, for instance if there is a verified news report that a user has been arrested." So we've arrived at "innocent until accused" instead of "innocent until proven guilty"? And if proven guilty, they will both be punished under the law, and again by companies like Twitch? If proven innocent will they be restored? W…

Presumption of innocence is a legal principle and does not and will never apply to a corporation providing you services at their own discretion.

No, presumption of innocence is first and foremost a moral principle. Our legal systems are reflections of our collective morals.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by banmyip »

Bud wrote: post #36
voldacar wrote: post #28

The infantile hyper-moralization of online discourse, on social media but also elsewhere, is starting to get really, really tiring. Is there any solution other than total anonymity, keeping one's online and IRL personae hermetically sealed off from one another? What do you all think? Is this atmosphere here to stay or do you expect the winds of culture to shift anytime soon?

Private companies reacting to hate crimes is "infantile", now? Banning people for making credible threats of mass violence is "infantile"? No it's not. And you should retract that.

If they were credible threats you think we might have seen, oh, any "mass violence" at all.

(cue "Jan 6th was mass violence)

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by TameAntelope »

dimgl wrote: post #32
secondcoming wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Posting racist stuff just means you're stupid and the company made a mistake in hiring you.

The issue with this sentiment is that while some things are blatantly racist, there are other things that aren't so black and white. This is one of those slippery slopes where if left unchecked, anything and everything will be considered racist. Also, you don't have to have good morals or even be intelligent to be good at your job. Some people are fantastic at their job, but are pretty damn "stupid" as you put it.

Isn't this slippery slope argument technically a logical fallacy? Wouldn't we just not accept the unacceptable change?

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by Spartan-S63 »

tenebrisalietum wrote: post #10
cik wrote: post #7

Is there any doubt that we've entered the era of approved, or not free speech. 'Severe misconduct' today means racist behaviour, perhaps tomorrow it means support for the NRA, or anti-environmental behaviour. The thought police have finally invaded ever part of society.

If your speech is really valuable you shouldn't depend on the free services of a privately-owned ad-supported company meant for streaming games to propagate it. Furthermore speech as the forefathers probably meant was people physically going to town squares and talking there. There is free press, which is what social media is more like, and the owner of a press has the right to decide what he/she will print--the Cons…

So much this. Society is balking at the cession of power from governments to private companies and are all of a sudden upset that private companies don't have to grant them any rights.

If we really want free speech platforms, lobby government to craft spaces for it in the digital age. Instead of muddying public rights in private property, let's just fund more public property (i.e. nationalized social media platform).

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by makomk »

tenebrisalietum wrote: post #10
cik wrote: post #7

Is there any doubt that we've entered the era of approved, or not free speech. 'Severe misconduct' today means racist behaviour, perhaps tomorrow it means support for the NRA, or anti-environmental behaviour. The thought police have finally invaded ever part of society.

If your speech is really valuable you shouldn't depend on the free services of a privately-owned ad-supported company meant for streaming games to propagate it. Furthermore speech as the forefathers probably meant was people physically going to town squares and talking there. There is free press, which is what social media is more like, and the owner of a press has the right to decide what he/she will print--the Cons…

> If your speech is really valuable you shouldn't depend on the free services of a privately-owned ad-supported company meant for streaming games to propagate it.

Remember, this announcement is about speech that occurs outside of Twitch entirely. So what you'd really need to argue is that anyone who ever wants to be able to speak freely on their own time shouldn't depend on income from big companies... including, at the rate things are going, even income from minimum wage retail jobs.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by colejohnson66 »

Bud wrote: post #34
redm wrote: post #8

"The company said users will be able to report such behaviors but it may also investigate cases proactively, for instance if there is a verified news report that a user has been arrested." So we've arrived at "innocent until accused" instead of "innocent until proven guilty"? And if proven guilty, they will both be punished under the law, and again by companies like Twitch? If proven innocent will they be restored? W…

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The claims of "cancel culture" may well be from people who should be "shunned from society" (as some would say), but it's very true that some people (definitely not all) "practicing" cancel culture can have a "guilty until proven innocent" mindset. Being correct often does not mean you're always correct; The left is not immune from hiveminding.

I say this as a left leaning person.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by falcolas »

Bud wrote: post #36
voldacar wrote: post #28

The infantile hyper-moralization of online discourse, on social media but also elsewhere, is starting to get really, really tiring. Is there any solution other than total anonymity, keeping one's online and IRL personae hermetically sealed off from one another? What do you all think? Is this atmosphere here to stay or do you expect the winds of culture to shift anytime soon?

Private companies reacting to hate crimes is "infantile", now? Banning people for making credible threats of mass violence is "infantile"? No it's not. And you should retract that.

How about we do something silly like letting the police and justice system handle things like "credible threats of mass violence" and "hate crimes", since both are fairly illegal, at least in the US.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by adventured »

redm wrote: post #8

"The company said users will be able to report such behaviors but it may also investigate cases proactively, for instance if there is a verified news report that a user has been arrested." So we've arrived at "innocent until accused" instead of "innocent until proven guilty"? And if proven guilty, they will both be punished under the law, and again by companies like Twitch? If proven innocent will they be restored? W…

Identity politics is all about witch hunts ultimately. It requires targeting, attacking, hunting and splitting people by tribes. If there are not enough targets, more will be made by inventing new divisions. Once you begin dividing people so aggressively by identity - as is happening now - cultural war inevitably breaks out. Tribalism always leads to conflict. What Twitch and all other social media platforms have begun doing is an inevitable consequence of that cultural war, they're very willing participants.

You want a prediction for the future re this subject that is a certainty? The big tech companies will require (and will deploy) military style protection and will have to wall off their campuses in the not very distant future. No other outcome is possible given where things are heading, the cultural tension will keep rising until it explodes.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by fX0rObfoMN4 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #13
redm wrote: post #8

"The company said users will be able to report such behaviors but it may also investigate cases proactively, for instance if there is a verified news report that a user has been arrested." So we've arrived at "innocent until accused" instead of "innocent until proven guilty"? And if proven guilty, they will both be punished under the law, and again by companies like Twitch? If proven innocent will they be restored? W…

> we've arrived at "innocent until accused" instead of "innocent until proven guilty" For a platform like Twitch, this is fine. They have a brand. They’re akin to a modern television channel, and television has always been this ruthless. There are lots of other streaming sites.

If someone who stream on Twitch does something bad off of Twitch, would people blame Twitch for that? I know I wouldn't.
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