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Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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For many years my partner and I operated in the same way. I paid our rent, utilities and food while she spent on her hobbies and saved. I was not unhappy during this time because I didn't want much. A few years ago though, I became a bit more financially aware after having my first soul crushing job and realizing I couldn't rely on work to produce income in the same "easy" way I had when I was younger. The emotional…

"...having my first soul crushing job and realizing I couldn't rely on work to produce income in the same "easy" way I had when I was younger. The emotional cost had become too high." I feel exactly like this. My wife has basically changed what she wants (or stopped hiding it) now that we are married. She wants a big fancy house and she wants to live in an suburbanized and expensive area. She originally told me she w…

You're getting a lot of unsolicited advice here, from folks who mean well but all of us here can't know the particulars of your situation.

That you're posting this on HN suggests that you would really like to have someone to talk to about this, at the very least to feel heard about it.

From personal experience, consider a therapist for a while - starting just on your own. There's nothing wrong with you, but you're in a sticky situation and are unhappy, and you're worried about the implications for your daughter and your own longevity. It can be really nice to have someone to talk through this stuff with, especially when it might be tough to talk with your wife about it, at least at this point, if she's causing the problem. I don't know about you, but it helps me mentally figure out what to do when I can talk about it, and (good) therapists are good at pulling our thoughts out and letting us think about all the angles.

It's pretty low stakes, and while they do cost some money, it's not a ton (compared to the horses!). And it can really help you think through the particulars of your situation over time, which it's tough for any of us here on HN to do, and when it's time to do the tough stuff - like broaching the subject with your wife - you have got someone in the therapist who knows the background and can help you deal with any fallout.

Good luck. You deserve a happy life. Your daughter deserves a good future. We only get one shot at this.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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If you want my advice, it is simply this: look for dysfunctional companies. They're easy to recognize, because they look like pretty much the opposite of those companies everybody really want to work at. Take everything you see from a website like Elastic[1] for example and invert it: - It should NOT be clear what the value proposition is. - The website should NOT adhere to modern design standards, or at least do so…

For what it's worth (sample size of 1 - me) - if you are at all competent and bad at setting boundaries, the dysfunction will absolutely frustrate the heck out of you.

Seeing what is broken, knowing that it can be fixed, and having even the slightest bit of motivation or knowledge of how to do so, and how it goes on forever and ever and doesn't get fixed becomes incredibly tiring.

I suppose, if you go into a dysfunctional company hoping to "coast", just be aware, if you are not good at managing boundaries and passing off the "frustration", it might be a lot worse than you realize.

Just imagine.. if you are spending 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, watching a slow motion wreck.. and powerless to do anything about it... sure, you get paid, but is it worth spending the time?

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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Excellent points except (5) Usually immoral and often illegal

> and often illegal Source? As long as it's not explicitly stated, and in my experience, it never is, then there should be no issue with this.

It depends on the country.

In France for instance, it is legal to have two (or more) jobs but they cannot be with competitors, you have a limit of hours you can work (which means that if your contract states 40 hours work then you cannot have another one), and you cannot have a clause in your contract which you usually do have (in the companies I know at least - tech oriented).

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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> I'm basically in a job that is quite important for my org, I get compliments for good job, but I hate most aspects of my daily work There's a class of "crystallized intelligence" jobs which are about what happened before rather than what you do today. There's an intersection between that sort of knowledge and a certain fluid intelligence to slot it in where things fit. I'm in one of those jobs right now, where the…

This reminds me of advice I got from the VP of Eng at my first real full time tech job. This was back around late 1999 / early 2000. Peak of the dot com era. He told me what most people think of as job security is totally wrong. If you're the only person who knows something, you become a liability. But if you're constantly teaching and sharing that knowledge you become incredibly valuable to the organization. That's…

> If you're the only person who knows something, you become a liability.

Sorry, this is just wrong. You are a liability if someone thinks about you that way. Fortunately, not that many people are like that. In Contrary, if you are the only one to know something then you are regarded very highly and almost untouchable.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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Anybody that is sending you hates etc, well yeah it shouldn’t be a surprise on this website. I hope you don’t get any death threats. But let me tell you amongst all the haters, you are not alone. In the words of the Misfits… “Walk among us” (Little punk humor)

I kind of feel like being a web dev/programmer is like being a waiter in Hollywood. I can program, it pays really well right now and in high demand, but it not my career choice. But I’m always looking for my passion.

In 2013, I used to work at a small business that did videos for jobs. Instead of a job description, they made a job video. (I know crazy) I was the only developer, IT, sysadmin. I reported to the owners, who were nontech. After about 6 months I cleaned up all the crappy code (from professional developers of course). Reduced the insanity from the account managers and streamlined some processes. After that, there were days I didn’t get an email from anybody for weeks at a time. Because I took the time to do it right and reduce human friction. I respond to “emergencies” and kept the system up and running. After I had proven my knowledge and ability to keep the system running etc. I essentially became untouchable, it also helped that no one else knew what I did.

After that, I didn’t do much, work on side projects, exercised in the middle of the day, etc. I left in 2015 and my code was still in place in 2018.

In 2020, I finally threw in the web dev towel! (Working with Drupal and Drupal developers finally killed it)

Now I write Stock/Options/Futures for a family office / hedgefund, which is my true passion.

That’s similar to doing nothing as well.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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If you want my advice, it is simply this: look for dysfunctional companies. They're easy to recognize, because they look like pretty much the opposite of those companies everybody really want to work at. Take everything you see from a website like Elastic[1] for example and invert it: - It should NOT be clear what the value proposition is. - The website should NOT adhere to modern design standards, or at least do so…

> look for dysfunctional companies This theme is common in the thread and is wildly wrong. First I recommend reading Bullshit Jobs to get some perspective on how others have fulfilled your goals. Big, rich, process-driven companies and institutions are the easiest to do the least work in for the longest time . Process is the toxin low-effort thrives on. An admin role at Google pays more and works much less than an en…

> An admin role at Google pays more and works much less than an engineering role at a dysfunctional company.

There's two issues here:

1) The op asked for a technical role, so comparing an admin role to a technical one isn't helpful.

2) You're presuming Google is not a dysfunctional company.

I think point (2) is actually the more important one; reading through your comment, the type of "big, rich, process-driven" company is you describe is exactly what I thought of when the gp said "dysfunctional".

The only extra qualifier I would add to the gp is to "look for uncool dysfunctional companies". There are companies (like Google) that have what I would describe as a "cult factor", where they're able to create enough mythos around the brand that "good", hard-working, attentive & talented people want to work there purely based on the "culture" associated with the brand (and also having that brand listed on one's resume). This creates a competitive environment where the scale & bureaucracy might not be sufficient to save you from scrutiny.

The ideal place is somewhere exactly as dysfunctional as Google, but without the same reputation attached to the brand.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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Here are few signs that you should look for while search for such a job:

1. Glassdoor reviews mentions 'good work like balance'.

2. The hiring manager (the position you applied for) is 12+ years in the same organization.

3. The organization has at least 10K+ employees.

4. The organization recently had a merger/takeover by another big corp.

5. The team (for which you are being interviewed) does not have a CI/CD pipeline.

6. The product is inherently on-premise deployable software i.e. has to be deployed on the customer's machine and cannot be a SaaS. Ex: Datacenter monitoring/automation software.

7. The product has multi month/quarter release cycle.

8. The organization does not follow 360 degree review i.e. does not collect feedback from all the team members during yearly performance review but its mostly about the manager's comments.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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My job allows me to go back stage at Glastonbury and track-side visits at the Olympics, front seat views of royal weddings, orchestral pit on last night of the proms, and I have a fairly sedantry job of mostly pushing buttons. Colleagues have spent days in jungles building bridges to drive cars over them, have got to know people living in random villages from Afghanistan to Zimbabwe and share in their culture, have m…

What are ‘the proms’? And why would anyone want to sit through royal weddings

He is probably referring to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Proms#Last_Night_of_the_Pr...

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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> I'm an average developer looking for ways to work as little as humanely possible.

- under no circumstances for for an Asian company. Ever.

- under no circumstances work for American companies unless the work requires a defence clearance. In which case, make sure you never work for anyone else.

- failing that, Northern European government work (e.g. Dutch 'amptenaare') is gold

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