Live data from Hacker News

Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

news.ycombinator.com

481–490 of 1001 posts

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

#481
post #365

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"based on the East Coast. My salary isn't bonkers but I'm comfortably in the 150-200k range before bonus." Hope you are not trolling. 150-200K is not only comfortable but one of the top salaries even in East Coast area.

For NYC at least, that's fairly normal for software engineers at tech companies. https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/New-York-C...

NYC is a step-function of higher COL than just about anywhere else on the East Coast. Even compared Boston or DC. Taxes alone are high, around 6% total for New York State. Want to live in New York City? Great, that's an additional 3%. OK, so you don't want to live in New York City to avoid that 3%? Now you're looking at $600/month for your commute costs to spend 3 hours a day commuting.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

#482
post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Partner choice and choice whether to have children are other critical considerations in cost control.

This can be the biggest factor. It can't be understated. For example, my wife won't let me consider relocating and spends basically all her money on hobbies. This limits my job options to locally available ones (not a great area) and that I can't get a less stressful job because it pays less and I need my current salary to pay all the bills.

From reading your other replies, if you're staying in it for the kids; don't. If my parents were deeply unhappy with each other I'd much prefer they went their separate ways than to suffer through the marriage just for me.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

#483
post #415

If you want my advice, it is simply this: look for dysfunctional companies. They're easy to recognize, because they look like pretty much the opposite of those companies everybody really want to work at. Take everything you see from a website like Elastic[1] for example and invert it: - It should NOT be clear what the value proposition is. - The website should NOT adhere to modern design standards, or at least do so…

Specifically, stay away from the tech industry. 1. Look for a smaller antiquated company or department that doesn't understand IT, and has few if any in-house IT professionals. Make sure the role doesn't include user support. Look for "Operations" jobs. 2. Look for positions that have a TON of manual work. Search for "prepare daily/weekly/etc... reports." and similar job functions. 3. Automate as much of it as possib…

Excellent points except (5) Usually immoral and often illegal

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

#484

can you do tech support for users of the product? It can often be helpful if a tech support person also knows a bit about tech so as to be able to turn the customer's vague bug description into something the developers can actually understand.

Having observed various colleagues in tech support over the years, it's highly stressful and frustrating even for non-call center jobs. Getting sensible information from a semi-cooperative and often mostly clueless customer's IT staff and trying to figure out the issue from the inadequate diagnostics and logging that the development team provided, plus occasionally having to figure out a nice way to relay "won't/can't fix; you're screwed" is utterly awful.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

#485
I think the move is to get into something where you can be a big fish in a small pond for like a year, maybe 2, and then get a certain degree of respect/responsibility where you can delegate and coordinate. Then just skip delegating a lot of work to yourself. I have seen this happen in Ad Tech. I bet there's room in a dying behemoth like Yahoo (are they still dying though? IDK) for you to do this. Godspeed!!

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

#486

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the take-away here, which I've also experienced, is to get an IT job in an industry that does not appreciate IT - find a position that seems to involve a TON of manual work - automate all of it - and DO NOT TELL anyone that you have automated those activities. If you are working from home, you could conceivably do this for multiple jobs (in theory, ethical considerations aside).

Ya know I've been considering taking on more jobs, but the biggest challenge is still being available for weekly meetings. Still need to appear in zoom calls on video for a status report.

I did 3 software jobs at the same time for a period of a month. But I was actually working full/part/part so it was kinda back breaking - but I was being paid as a consultant so I was actively working hard..

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

#487
post #16

This is an awesome question. I hope someone has good strategies for you. Life should be spent doing the things you find worthwhile, and the fact is, not all of those things are monetizable. Given how esteem- and success driven HN as a platform is... you might not get too many ideas since I suppose people want to maintain their "hireable" status. Success and "loving your job" are more or less empty phrases unless you…

> I'm basically in a job that is quite important for my org, I get compliments for good job, but I hate most aspects of my daily work

There's a class of "crystallized intelligence" jobs which are about what happened before rather than what you do today. There's an intersection between that sort of knowledge and a certain fluid intelligence to slot it in where things fit.

I'm in one of those jobs right now, where the last six years of what I've read/absorbed is more valuable (as a sort of fast cross-reference in my brain) than what I actually do right now. I'm the guy with the picture that's on puzzle box, rather than having to place each puzzle piece.

I've tried really hard to make myself obsolete and do something else, but it has backfired spectacularly.

I've written down all of this in documents, trained other people to do the same thing over the years, even built tools to replace the easy parts (right now there's an intern doing the next pass of that automation) the effect of which has been to lighten my workload even more & I'm not missed if need to take a couple of weeks on a roadtrip or something.

To do this, I've had to do something which is not volume driven (i.e my output is not a factor of time), so moved away from building web applications to profiling/optimizing all kinds of networked applications, where the ability to cut through the stack is useful, but for any given layer there's someone who does it "professionally".

This is of course not a long-term parking spot for me, but I'm useful and in essence acting as "an elder" store of information about the past & a slightly clearer view of the future.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

#488
post #251

I cant believe this hasnt been said yet: Every job can be converted into this esp in any sort of managerial role, the strategy to do this has only 3 basic steps: # 1 - Hire a great team under you. If you have one person, two person, or more working under you, make sure they know what to do and make sure they understand your expectations. # 2 - Delegate your work. Try to get rid of as much work as possible. There will…

Wasn't there a story a few years back where an engineer (from a high cost country) outsourced his work to another engineer (from a low cost country)?

Reminded me of this Onion report from a decade ago: https://youtu.be/rYaZ57Bn4pQ

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

#489

I have no interest in telling you what to do as an individual but this thread and all of the people that seem on board with this is what drives me crazy about most of the places I've worked. I have the hardest time getting anything done because of the sea of people trying to find ways not to do any work. Is this not abuse of privilege? Do you all not hear the stories of people working multiple jobs and still not bein…

The worst part of this is that software is typically a collaboration. It's fine to want to work just enough to provide for whatever it is you want to provide for. Morally (I guess?) it's not right to drag a bunch of teammates down with you as you try to make software.

I know some artisans that do this exact thing. I'm sure a lot of people on here know people exactly like the ones that I do. I know a cabinet maker who has been doing it for over 40 years. He'll make a fantastic set of cabinets for someone and then not work a bit for 3 months. Then he'll do it again. I know another guy who makes custom offroad accessories. He'll do a run of whatever, working hard for 2 weeks, and then fuck off for 2-4 months at a time. Repeat as needed. Do more when you need more money, do less when you need less. It's a healthy pattern if you can pull it off.

I think it's fine if you want to do the software development version of that, but you need to be in a situation where you're doing freelance or project based work and not negatively affecting your peers.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

#490

I can respect this opinion and as I get older I realize how little I actually care about work. I am not really passionate about tech, security, etc, I just know a lot about it. I basically never talk about it with anyone, I have absolutely no interest in meetups, and I don't care about the news (past the minimum needed to keep up to date for my job) The only thing I care about is money, and making more money. I don't…

> IME the more they talk about D&I, the more annoying the company will be about brainwashing everyone to drink the corporate koolaid.

Expect this to only ramp up given how diverse and queer Gen Z is. What passes for diversity among the Gen X / Boomer bosses isn’t good enough, and they have enough options that D&I has quickly become a competitive advantage. Every client I have is going in hard on DEI (diversity, equity, inclusion) as a result — you just can’t hire the best young talent otherwise.

This is the downside of Citizens United for corporations — by creating an outsized role for corporations in a democracy, corporations are implicitly expected to reflect the ideals of their employees rather than shareholders. This limits their agility and has strained relationships with employees who are now working to organize / unionize to achieve their goals. If this isn’t a role employers want to play, they are free to lobby for a law to protect them from themselves; otherwise the battle lines (and collateral damage) over any labor vs capital dispute will be drawn wholly within the company.

Post reply on HN