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Signal Adds Cryptocurrency Support

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Re: Signal Adds Cryptocurrency Support

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Post by fwn »

agd wrote: post #51
FlyingSnake wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is a strawman argument. Can't it be the users from group#3 who's sad to see Signal turn into WeChat? After all the lessons learned from Keybase are open for all to see. WhatsApp doesn't include payment mechanism in many markets, why is Signal trying to waste developer resources on unwanted features?

WhatsApp payments isn't available yet in all markets, but you can be sure it's coming.

WhatsApps payment feature is only available in India where they implemented the feature in alignment with the Indian UPI initiative.

Src.: https://faq.whatsapp.com/general/payments/learn-more-about-p...

Therefore I'd argue that this specific feature can hardly be seen as waiting for a global rollout.

Re: Signal Adds Cryptocurrency Support

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Post by ddevault »

firebaze wrote: post #36

I convinced quite a lot of my friends to switch to Threema. No phone number required, and really open source ( https://threema.ch/en/faq/source_code )

Let's stop making the same mistake over and over again. It is centralized, not federated, and therefore Threema is likely to suffer the same fate.

Re: Signal Adds Cryptocurrency Support

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Post by ruph123 »

Why oh why was it not the first priority to move from phone numbers to random user IDs (like Threema) for identification? And instead come up with a crypto currency integration?

This whole crypto coin focus, the BS about the server code and the total inability to address criticism or be transparent about development made me lose hope in the project.

Re: Signal Adds Cryptocurrency Support

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Post by cuillevel3 »

kache_ wrote: post #61

PGP doesn't have this problem

Ugh, I hate PGP so much. It's keeping people from interacting securely for over two decades The UI is bad, integration is hard, the chain of trust (it never was a web) is broken, the CLI tools are annoying... but hey let's do crypto parties with other nerds and exchange passports.

Re: Signal Adds Cryptocurrency Support

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Post by saurik »

sneak wrote: post #56
api wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So turn off iCloud backups?

Then your conversation plaintext gets escrowed to Apple via just Bob instead of both Alice and Bob. (Conversations are backed up twice: once by each party.) You'd need everyone you talk to to also disable iCloud Backup. This is pretty unlikely. Easier to just use Signal, where the chat history isn't included in the device backups at all.

Signal doesn't--and can't--somehow magically prevent people from backing up their messages insecurely. That they don't support being backed up by normal backup methods on iOS--including highly-secure ones--is a missing feature (and a devastating one at that: people expect to have access to their old messages) more than a security measure. Consider this: the existence of a popular tool that helps people back up their Signal messages wouldn't somehow cause it to be accurate to claim there is a "backdoor" in Signal.

Re: Signal Adds Cryptocurrency Support

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Post by alfiedotwtf »

> It’s that adding a cryptocurrency to an end-to-end encrypted app muddies the morality of the product

As digital currencies are just digital speech, seems that Schneier has muddied communication vs communication. Although I would have chosen a different cryptocurrency, I don't think they're doing any harm to themselves here.

Re: Signal Adds Cryptocurrency Support

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Post by progx »

jayp1418 wrote: post #62
kentiko wrote: post #28

After convincing all my friends to move from WhatsApp to Signal I am really annoyed about this move. This really damaged the trust I have for Signal. I hope they realize their mistake quickly and drop this idea.

I think it won't be problematic as if someone doesn't want to create wallet they dont have to. So this payment option will be for only those who wants to enable it.

More code, more possible bugs, more updates needed.

All that things are not necessary, they could create a separate app "Signal Pay" and everybody who wants it can use that.

It made no sense to implement everything in one app.

Re: Signal Adds Cryptocurrency Support

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Post by [deleted] »

agd wrote: post #35

I think there are 3 attitudes towards Signal: 1. Anger from purists who care about the fact it's not decentralised, and that Moxie runs the show, and that it uses phone numbers etc etc... 2. Indifference from those who have never heard of it 3. Joy from those who are extremely happy a decent, private, alternative to Facebook/Whatsapp exists My worry is that group 1) try and ruin it for the rest of us. Signal is liter…

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