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Signal Adds Cryptocurrency Support

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Re: Signal Adds Cryptocurrency Support

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Post by yoelo »

detaro wrote: post #16
yoelo wrote: post #12

I find this incredibly offensive. Has there been any deliberation in the Signal community on whether or not this is something that Signal should have?

What "Signal community"?

Good point. My main point is perhaps that this shouldn't be up to one dude that loves crypto assets – that there should be a signal community making decisions.

Re: Signal Adds Cryptocurrency Support

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Post by sneak »

hestefisk wrote: post #20
sneak wrote: post #2

> It’s that adding a cryptocurrency to an end-to-end encrypted app muddies the morality of the product, and invites all sorts of government investigative and regulatory meddling: by the IRS, the SEC, FinCEN, and probably the FBI. We need to fight against the idea that private payments are any less moral than private conversations. We also need to actively reject the status quo in the USA of a complete and total lack…

iMessage is backdoored? Evidence please?

iCloud Backup backs up plaintext of all iMessages from the device to Apple, with Apple keys (non-e2e). It also includes all SMS.

This is documented plainly on Apple's iCloud security overview page. The list of things that are end-to-end encrypted is listed. iCloud Backup is not in it. It's on by default on all iOS devices.

Apple was to fix this by end to end encrypting iCloud device backups, and (I understand) even had an implementation, but stopped its deployment on request of the FBI to preserve access to phone contents (including iMessage/SMS history).

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusiv...

Re: Signal Adds Cryptocurrency Support

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Post by henearkr »

brnt wrote: post #10
henearkr wrote: post #6

Let's fork Signal.

Yesterday I learned that the 'main' fork of Signal, Session, _already_ had a coin mainlined... FFS...

That's sad...

Still, I cannot believe the lack of vision of the founder of Signal Marlinspike. Now Signal will be soon banned. Already democracies were looking for "legit" ways to ban e2ee, but hey they did not even foresee that their best allies would be the app developpers themselves. They don't need anymore to search, they will just have to ban Signal for whatever tax evasion, criminal payments, human exploitation rings, etc. that occur through its blockchain.

Re: Signal Adds Cryptocurrency Support

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Post by [deleted] »

sneak wrote: post #2

> It’s that adding a cryptocurrency to an end-to-end encrypted app muddies the morality of the product, and invites all sorts of government investigative and regulatory meddling: by the IRS, the SEC, FinCEN, and probably the FBI. We need to fight against the idea that private payments are any less moral than private conversations. We also need to actively reject the status quo in the USA of a complete and total lack…

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Re: Signal Adds Cryptocurrency Support

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Post by sithadmin »

sneak wrote: post #2

> It’s that adding a cryptocurrency to an end-to-end encrypted app muddies the morality of the product, and invites all sorts of government investigative and regulatory meddling: by the IRS, the SEC, FinCEN, and probably the FBI. We need to fight against the idea that private payments are any less moral than private conversations. We also need to actively reject the status quo in the USA of a complete and total lack…

Cryptocurrency != speech; it is not at its core some vehicle for transmission of information, or at least, no more so than conventional currency is. Currency, crypto or not, is no more than a marker of value established by a popular consensus. If any sort of currency supports the transmission of information, it’s a secondary effect where the act of transmitting that information is riding on the coat tails of the monetary/asset exchange.
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