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Re: Clubhouse Payments

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Post by rchaud » Tue, Apr 06, 2021, 2:01 PM UTC

caslon wrote: post #188

wpietri wrote: post #146

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As a former Quora Top Writer (2013 and 2014), that makes a lot of sense to me. And faster, I'd bet. What made Quora special in the early days was the high-quality community. Smart questions, smart writers answering them, even a reasonable proportion of smart comments. That seems to be the same sort of magic that Clubhouse has managed. It's not the technology, it's the community. But as Quora tried to scale, that got…

I don't have/don't want a Clubhouse account (it seems like a very cringe-inducing platform for people past their prime), but I actually think you're wrong. Quora lends itself toward SEO spam. It's written word. Clubhouse currently isn't archived in a machine-readable format. This eliminates a decent 60% of the value for commercial purposes, and probably 30% will be taken care of by users having the common sense to av…

Any platform that 'recommends' content on the basis of user behaviour is going to incentivize spam. Clubhouse is new so maybe that's not there yet. The spammers will only open the floodgates once the audience is big enough.

Re: Clubhouse Payments

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Post by rchaud » Tue, Apr 06, 2021, 2:08 PM UTC

blueblisters wrote: post #207

BelenusMordred wrote: post #159

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I get the feeling whatever I provide is going to be criticised, regardless, here goes: 百度贴吧 - https://tieba.baidu.com/ Probably the biggest platform out there. You can argue it's censored but then again the same arguments could be made about plenty of Western platforms who follow the moral mores of 2021. There's a lot of leetspeak to get around filters when talking about sensitive topics, translations aren't always g…

What's the best way to keep up with modern Chinese culture for someone in the Anglosphere? Is Avocado Toast a big thing among millennials in China? Is there (was there) any Hipster movement in China? To what extent does Western culture penetrate China and what are the latest fads or fashions?

Maybe you could watch their TV and movies? I've lived outside my country of birth for most of my life, so that's how I learned about American culture before moving there.

Of course after arriving, I realized that a lot of what I saw is either aspirational or realistic only for a very small cross-section of American people.

Re: Clubhouse Payments

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Post by oceliker » Tue, Apr 06, 2021, 2:32 PM UTC

Scoundreller wrote: post #142

rvz wrote: post #22

> 100% of the payment will go to the creator ... Clubhouse will take nothing. Well imagine if they had an Android app in the first place or earlier right before all the big players started copying them, then it would have been attractive to the users. Right now, what is the point if the invite system is still there. Another platform can just announce the same thing and they are back to square zero. > We are excited t…

> 100% of the payment will go to the creator Ohhh, this is going to be a disaster for Manufactured Spend.

It sounds like you also need to pay the Stripe processing fee, so I don't think that's viable in this case?

Re: Clubhouse Payments

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Post by azinman2 » Tue, Apr 06, 2021, 2:59 PM UTC

manigandham wrote: post #190

azinman2 wrote: post #171

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No. A conference call allows anyone to talk whenever they want.

Conference calls also have hosts who can mute and manage the guests. We had conferencing 2.0 about 5 years ago with the likes of Uberconference, and now 3.0 with Zoom. What is actually new?

It’s a panel discussion, with an optional mic that can be explicitly passed around. There are bios on everyone that you can click around, no video, many rooms you can join arranged by subject matter and people, and a social network that includes many A-listers. The entire premise is different than a conference call. I don’t know what else to say… I’m guessing you haven’t tried it if you keep saying it’s the same thing.

Re: Clubhouse Payments

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Post by mylons » Tue, Apr 06, 2021, 3:07 PM UTC

echelon wrote: post #40

mylons wrote: post #29

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Giants will clone and make a piece of shit. Apps like this survive by creating a network of people. They do that by creating demand to join the service. How do you do that? Make it invite only, and invite a ton of high profile people and get them using and talking about it, creating FOMO. The only people who threaten this are Facebook and Twitter. Twitter _actually_ could clone it or buy a competitor. But, look at Tw…

> Giants will clone and make a piece of shit. Facebook does a damn good job of sinking ships. The only two survivors I can think of are TikTok and Snapchat. And Snapchat pivoted.

my intuition on FB agrees with you but I can’t think of something like clubhouse that they didn’t buy or attempt to? any particular ships you’re referring to?

the ones you’re referring to were social photo/video plays which FB was perfectly setup to enter. FB doesn’t have an audio product as far as i know.

Re: Clubhouse Payments

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Post by pc86 » Tue, Apr 06, 2021, 3:13 PM UTC

khc wrote: post #111

not_exactly__ wrote: post #75

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The (possible) irony is that ClubHouse uses Agora behind the scenes to power its real-time audio. that’s a Chinese company based in Mainland China. I’d be careful if I was them. The double irony is that I believe Agora is blocked behind TGF.

I think the usual abbreviation is GFW not TGF

And yet you still knew what they were referring to :)

Re: Clubhouse Payments

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Post by wpietri » Tue, Apr 06, 2021, 3:58 PM UTC

caslon wrote: post #188

wpietri wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a former Quora Top Writer (2013 and 2014), that makes a lot of sense to me. And faster, I'd bet. What made Quora special in the early days was the high-quality community. Smart questions, smart writers answering them, even a reasonable proportion of smart comments. That seems to be the same sort of magic that Clubhouse has managed. It's not the technology, it's the community. But as Quora tried to scale, that got…

I don't have/don't want a Clubhouse account (it seems like a very cringe-inducing platform for people past their prime), but I actually think you're wrong. Quora lends itself toward SEO spam. It's written word. Clubhouse currently isn't archived in a machine-readable format. This eliminates a decent 60% of the value for commercial purposes, and probably 30% will be taken care of by users having the common sense to av…

I'm not saying that SEO spam will be clubhouse's problem. But there are more kinds of marketing than SEO. The "investment seminar" scam, for example, has been running for decades in the real world.

I also think it's a mistake to think that common sense will save us. Everybody has weaknesses, and any given scam is carefully optimized for its target audience.

Re: Clubhouse Payments

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Post by caslon » Tue, Apr 06, 2021, 4:04 PM UTC

wpietri wrote: post #227

caslon wrote: post #188

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I don't have/don't want a Clubhouse account (it seems like a very cringe-inducing platform for people past their prime), but I actually think you're wrong. Quora lends itself toward SEO spam. It's written word. Clubhouse currently isn't archived in a machine-readable format. This eliminates a decent 60% of the value for commercial purposes, and probably 30% will be taken care of by users having the common sense to av…

I'm not saying that SEO spam will be clubhouse's problem. But there are more kinds of marketing than SEO. The "investment seminar" scam, for example, has been running for decades in the real world. I also think it's a mistake to think that common sense will save us. Everybody has weaknesses, and any given scam is carefully optimized for its target audience.

But that's already happening on it! It therefore wouldn't be dropping in quality from where it already is!

Re: Clubhouse Payments

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Post by KptMarchewa » Tue, Apr 06, 2021, 5:12 PM UTC

fastball wrote: post #76

paxys wrote: post #55

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You would think they need to grow user count as quickly as possible (like all other VC funded startups), but the fact that they don't have a web app, don't have an Android app and don't have open signups on iOS leaves me very confused about their entire strategy. Is Clubhouse just being pushed by VCs and other tech celebrities as their personal soapbox, or does it have potential to be something beyond that?

The "closed beta" is the marketing strat – people getting FOMO because they can't listen to a convo on CH. "Anyone have a CH invite?" was something I was seeing a lot of on Twitter over the past yearish. FOMO is one helluva drug.

Has that thing worked once after Gmail rollout?

Re: Clubhouse Payments

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Post by skilesare » Tue, Apr 06, 2021, 5:25 PM UTC

I wish they would just charge a subscription fee for access to the back catalog and distribute a chunk of it to people based on an algo that encourages discussion and interaction. I have no desire to find 'content' on CH. I have had some awesome conversations with people on a wide range of fairly niche topics that never would have happened 'in the real world' without something like CH attracting a large following.