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Re: Clubhouse Payments

#31

Post by artur_makly »

echelon wrote: post #24
rvz wrote: post #22

> 100% of the payment will go to the creator ... Clubhouse will take nothing. Well imagine if they had an Android app in the first place or earlier right before all the big players started copying them, then it would have been attractive to the users. Right now, what is the point if the invite system is still there. Another platform can just announce the same thing and they are back to square zero. > We are excited t…

How do apps like this survive and grow? Giants can clone the entire product with a small team. I'm worried about this exact problem. Edit: First thought that comes to mind is filing a few patents and then throwing 50% of funding into a lawsuit against the first giant to clone you. This is traditionally not the way , but with the incumbents so nimble and readily able to pick off good ideas, it seems like it might be t…

Their IP is the high caliber of people/creators/cult/tribes that has amassed and been refined. But clearly not their UX...yet.

Re: Clubhouse Payments

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Post by dogma1138 »

rvz wrote: post #22

> 100% of the payment will go to the creator ... Clubhouse will take nothing. Well imagine if they had an Android app in the first place or earlier right before all the big players started copying them, then it would have been attractive to the users. Right now, what is the point if the invite system is still there. Another platform can just announce the same thing and they are back to square zero. > We are excited t…

Yeah I don’t understand their business model, there is a cost to process a payment so even if I give someone $100 the credit card company and payment processors will take a cut.

Now there is a difference between a platform that takes 15-30% cut and And this ofc goes beyond the fact as you mentioned that the big players can simply kill this by having a similar policy especially for smaller creators.

The only purpose of clubhouse that I can think off is if that’s exactly their plan in the first place.

The only other thing I can think off is if they’ll offer a content discovery platform and then charge creators to promote their content on the system but that’s arguably a worse off deal for creators since they’ll have to put in money upfront without any guarantee of returns.

Re: Clubhouse Payments

#34

Post by filoleg »

minimaxir wrote: post #6

This provides a very strong incentive for bad actors on Clubhouse to create rooms to ask for money under false/scammy pretenses, and Clubhouse has an unclear moderation policy for that.

On another hand, it provides a strong incentive for Clubhouse to ban such bad actors asap without even a second thought, because Cluhbhouse doesn't make a single dime off them due to not taking a cut from payments.

No conflict of interest and no perverse incentives. Which is in stark contrast to some perverse incentives other popular platforms have, e.g., Twitter and FB being lenient on botting and fake profiles because it drives their usage metrics up (which is the main bread and butter of those two social networks).

Re: Clubhouse Payments

#35

Post by artur_makly »

kazuki wrote: post #8

Why they don't charge any fees? I don't use clubhouse (Android) but if I were user I would be happily paying 1-2% fees and would rather prefer seeing service has source of income.

Founder yesterday said "when you get paid..we get paid". So this is a beta test. Fees will come.

Re: Clubhouse Payments

#36

Post by judge2020 »

Shank wrote: post #26

I really wonder how this is going to work with the Apple App Store rules on payments. Is the 0% cut so that they can use Stripe? Or is it to bolster their case that they don’t need or want to use Apple Pay? Normally Apple doesn’t like a service offering payments outside of the Apple Pay ecosystem. This seems like a very interesting move.

P2P payments don't have to use the App Store payment processor, see: Venmo, cash.app, etc.

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#38

Post by Ceezy »

dogma1138 wrote: post #32
rvz wrote: post #22

> 100% of the payment will go to the creator ... Clubhouse will take nothing. Well imagine if they had an Android app in the first place or earlier right before all the big players started copying them, then it would have been attractive to the users. Right now, what is the point if the invite system is still there. Another platform can just announce the same thing and they are back to square zero. > We are excited t…

Yeah I don’t understand their business model, there is a cost to process a payment so even if I give someone $100 the credit card company and payment processors will take a cut. Now there is a difference between a platform that takes 15-30% cut and And this ofc goes beyond the fact as you mentioned that the big players can simply kill this by having a similar policy especially for smaller creators. The only purpose o…

They may not process the payment but just have a deal with cash app/stripe and have a free access to an api

Re: Clubhouse Payments

#39

Post by Ceezy »

minimaxir wrote: post #6

This provides a very strong incentive for bad actors on Clubhouse to create rooms to ask for money under false/scammy pretenses, and Clubhouse has an unclear moderation policy for that.

You mean bad.

Re: Clubhouse Payments

#40

Post by echelon »

mylons wrote: post #29
echelon wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do apps like this survive and grow? Giants can clone the entire product with a small team. I'm worried about this exact problem. Edit: First thought that comes to mind is filing a few patents and then throwing 50% of funding into a lawsuit against the first giant to clone you. This is traditionally not the way , but with the incumbents so nimble and readily able to pick off good ideas, it seems like it might be t…

Giants will clone and make a piece of shit. Apps like this survive by creating a network of people. They do that by creating demand to join the service. How do you do that? Make it invite only, and invite a ton of high profile people and get them using and talking about it, creating FOMO. The only people who threaten this are Facebook and Twitter. Twitter _actually_ could clone it or buy a competitor. But, look at Tw…

> Giants will clone and make a piece of shit.

Facebook does a damn good job of sinking ships.

The only two survivors I can think of are TikTok and Snapchat. And Snapchat pivoted.

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