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Leaked phone number of Mark Zuckerberg reveals he is on Signal

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Re: Leaked phone number of Mark Zuckerberg reveals he is on Signal

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Post by matz1 »

HenryBemis wrote: post #119
captaincurrie wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is an important point to make. I think most people, myself included, are fine with sharing personal information if the person i'm sharing it with isn't going to use it against me. That's always been the case dealing with people.

I think that it is clear than then you post on Facebook about my/your/someone's cancer treatment, data aggregators will mark this in your medical records. An insurer 20-30 years from now will easily correlate that my/you/someone's kid has me/you/etc as a father, and therefore have increased chances of cancer (or some other disease) and thus affect their chance to get life insurance or affect the price of premiums. Wh…

>and thus affect their chance to get life insurance or affect the price of premiums

So the real issue is can't get insurance/too expensive insurance, not the privacy itself.

If this is fixed then I don't care if the information being public.

Re: Leaked phone number of Mark Zuckerberg reveals he is on Signal

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Post by khalilravanna »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #61

How dare you suggest Mark Zuckerberg is a hypocrite after said "Privacy is no longer a social norm", and then bought all houses surrounding his one. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/jan/11/facebook-... https://www.businessinsider.com/mark-zuckerberg-buys-4-homes...

“Zuckerberg reportedly took action after he learned that a developer wanted to purchase one of his neighbor's homes and use the fact that Zuckerberg lived close by as a marketing tactic. ... Zuckerberg will lease the four homes he just bought back to its current residents.”

Not sure how this paints Zuckerberg in a bad light. The bad guy seems to be the developer who was going to use his fame to advertise, thus exposing Zuckerberg to way less privacy than a normal person. This was Zuckerberg’s way to eke out a bit more privacy in the vein of a normal human. I mean he left the people in their homes.

Re: Leaked phone number of Mark Zuckerberg reveals he is on Signal

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Post by specialist »

gtsop wrote: post #64

Funny comments, but jokes aside, I think we're missing a very obvious reason why he has signal. Mark most likely has contacts that are super high up in governments and coorporations who use signal since they can't trust any other app. People who say that he just tested out competition, I think you guys underestimate his technological knowledge and his resources waaay too much. If he wanted to do that he could have ea…

Yes, and, just a guess: Were I on Team Zuck, I'd have every competing messaging app installed, just to see what everyone's doing. eg I'm certain everyone touching Instagram also uses Snap.

Further: LAN Manager era Microsoft had a Novell Netware group, Microsoft also continued to use (Windows port) of sendmail while selling Exchange, had an entire Macintosh enthused business group.

TLDR: Of course Zuck has a Signal account.

Re: Leaked phone number of Mark Zuckerberg reveals he is on Signal

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Post by MichaelMcG »

khalilravanna wrote: post #122
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #61

How dare you suggest Mark Zuckerberg is a hypocrite after said "Privacy is no longer a social norm", and then bought all houses surrounding his one. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/jan/11/facebook-... https://www.businessinsider.com/mark-zuckerberg-buys-4-homes...

“Zuckerberg reportedly took action after he learned that a developer wanted to purchase one of his neighbor's homes and use the fact that Zuckerberg lived close by as a marketing tactic. ... Zuckerberg will lease the four homes he just bought back to its current residents.” Not sure how this paints Zuckerberg in a bad light. The bad guy seems to be the developer who was going to use his fame to advertise, thus exposi…

>"I mean he left the people in their homes."

This sounds more akin to a discussion about Oligarchs after the collapse of the Soviet Union than a discussion about an American CEO in California.

Kind of eerie, even if you didn't intend it to sound that way.

Re: Leaked phone number of Mark Zuckerberg reveals he is on Signal

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Post by black_puppydog »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #43
todd3834 wrote: post #9

Is it really surprising that he would have all of the most popular messaging apps? Facebook’s playbook of copying popular features from apps gaining traction is by no means a secret. I’m not totally convinced by the narrative that Mark doesn’t trust his own tools so he prefers Signal.

Besides, he may just have friends that are not on whatsapp or messenger. What is he gonna do, ghost them?

As in, having them followed by "ghosts" to report back to him what they're doing, like he's doing with the rest of us? :)

Re: Leaked phone number of Mark Zuckerberg reveals he is on Signal

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Post by gaius_baltar »

dexen wrote: post #68
kube-system wrote: post #12

Isn’t a bit of a privacy flaw that signal exposes who uses the app by phone number?

Privacy flaw and a security flaw: it is feasible to take over somebody's phone number through social engineering attack on the phone co's tech support. The tech support has ability to issue replacement SIM cards for users, and if an attacker socially engineers them to send SIM card with your number to them, it's a game over for you. That is aside of the obvious problem of phone numbers being recycled for re-issue aft…

Not exactly a security flaw, as the new owner of the phone number won't have the original owner's secret keys (they never leave the phone, of course) and Signal will still send the messages to the previously authenticated client.

Taking over a Signal account requires access to the phone number and the password used to register it (or waiting a week). And this will still not give the attacker access to the private keys; When these keys change, Signal will put an alert message on ongoing chats and ask for confirmation.

Re: Leaked phone number of Mark Zuckerberg reveals he is on Signal

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Post by gefh »

ingenieros wrote: post #117
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #61

How dare you suggest Mark Zuckerberg is a hypocrite after said "Privacy is no longer a social norm", and then bought all houses surrounding his one. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/jan/11/facebook-... https://www.businessinsider.com/mark-zuckerberg-buys-4-homes...

Still nowhere as egregious as his shady attempt to buy out native land in Hawaii through proxy lawsuits: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/17/mark-zuckerb...

Hawaiian land ownership is a fragmented mess and this is not at all unusual. I hate fb as much as the next guy but this was not shady.

Re: Leaked phone number of Mark Zuckerberg reveals he is on Signal

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Post by codethief »

saagarjha wrote: post #85
astrange wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a recent issue where Chinese citizens pointed out that IMEs with telemetry enabled could capture what you type into Signal and it didn't warn you or try to mitigate this; the Signal guy ignored them, then dodged them for weeks and told everyone they were harassing him, then a white guy pointed out the same thing and his suggestions were immediately taken up.

If I remember correctly the claim was from a Chinese citizen who pointed this out and when Signal didn't treat this as a major security issue (which I felt was understandable given that her concern was mostly along the lines of "you can't say that Signal is secure given that people install other software on their phone that could be a keylogger so you should have a disclaimer") she decided to continue to escalate on…

Exactly, this had nothing to do with one person being Chinese and the other being white.

Re: Leaked phone number of Mark Zuckerberg reveals he is on Signal

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Post by codethief »

antonvs wrote: post #67
sushid wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would imagine Mark of all people to at least do some amount of competitive analysis. It's like being surprised Elon test drove a BMW i3.

If Elon test drove a BMW i3, we'd be hearing about it direct from him via a snarky tweet.

Hmmm…

    $ curl -s https://elonmusk.today/ | grep BMW
    $
:(

Re: Leaked phone number of Mark Zuckerberg reveals he is on Signal

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Post by thrwyoilarticle »

JeremyNT wrote: post #102
wunderflix wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe. And maybe he’s there because he is a smart lad who knows which products to monitor closely. After all he bought Instagram and WhatsApp for peanuts, and copied the best features of SnapChat.

He wouldn't need to use his real number/name just to do product research though. It would just needlessly confuse any contacts who have his actual number and use signal. Signal also has nothing he can emulate. Its most meaningful selling point is that it doesn't have an association or integration with a scummy social media company, and people using it for that reason are already lost to Facebook. This is a feature he…

>Signal also has nothing he can emulate.

Both of them now have some variation on encrypted chats.

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