I'll never understand the concept of a privacy focused messaging app that uses your phone number.
The original design goal of signal was a secure alternative to SMS. The use of phone numbers and is core to this philosophy.
Leaked phone number of Mark Zuckerberg reveals he is on Signal
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
> people don't care about privacy Funny you phrase it like that. When I discuss with people about 'privacy', nobody has anything to hide. When I take 2-3 minutes explaining to them why 'someone' (data markets) out there knows: what type of porn gets them off, what they shop, how much money they have, what diseases they have (that may impact their chances to a life insurance - theirs' and their kids'), their drinking…
But its not the privacy itself that people care about. The reason is people care is because this information can be used to harm them. The reason I care about my credit card number being public is because it can be used to stole my money but If my credit card number can be public while still keeping my money belong to me then I would much prefer that. The better way would be to make everything as public as much as po…
I think this is an important point to make. I think most people, myself included, are fine with sharing personal information if the person i'm sharing it with isn't going to use it against me. That's always been the case dealing with people.
Re: Leaked phone number of Mark Zuckerberg reveals he is on Signal
#113Privacy for me but not for thee.
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe. And maybe he’s there because he is a smart lad who knows which products to monitor closely. After all he bought Instagram and WhatsApp for peanuts, and copied the best features of SnapChat.
He wouldn't need to use his real number/name just to do product research though. It would just needlessly confuse any contacts who have his actual number and use signal. Signal also has nothing he can emulate. Its most meaningful selling point is that it doesn't have an association or integration with a scummy social media company, and people using it for that reason are already lost to Facebook. This is a feature he…
> Signal also has nothing he can emulate. Its most meaningful selling point is that it doesn't have an association or integration with a scummy social media company, and people using it for that reason are already lost to Facebook. This is a feature he cannot ever hope to copy.
Even if there is nothing to emulate, downloading the app at least gives him a feel for how close it is to WhatsApp's capabilities and would help him understand if it is a major competitive threat or not.
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Everybody should have a shutter over the camera, just to protect from blunders and misclicks. No matter how you trust your software, some malware may want to activate it, especially at a high-value target like Zuckerberg (or Bezos, or Nadella, etc). Alas, microphones are not as easy to deactivate.
Covering a camera always seemed like unjustified paranoia for me. If someone can access my camera and spy my unkept beard, why won't they also be able to access my keyboard and spy my main email account password?
It's also for personal mistakes. Accidentally clicking the camera on when in your underwear for example.
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I’m not totally convinced by the narrative that Mark doesn’t trust his own tools so he prefers Signal. He has tape over the camera of his own computer in Facebook HQ
Everybody should have a shutter over the camera, just to protect from blunders and misclicks. No matter how you trust your software, some malware may want to activate it, especially at a high-value target like Zuckerberg (or Bezos, or Nadella, etc). Alas, microphones are not as easy to deactivate.
> Alas, microphones are not as easy to deactivate.
That’s why eg. all Purism products with them have hardware kill switches (to physically disconnect them).
Re: Leaked phone number of Mark Zuckerberg reveals he is on Signal
#117How dare you suggest Mark Zuckerberg is a hypocrite after said "Privacy is no longer a social norm", and then bought all houses surrounding his one. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/jan/11/facebook-... https://www.businessinsider.com/mark-zuckerberg-buys-4-homes...
Still nowhere as egregious as his shady attempt to buy out native land in Hawaii through proxy lawsuits: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/17/mark-zuckerb...
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#118How dare you suggest Mark Zuckerberg is a hypocrite after said "Privacy is no longer a social norm", and then bought all houses surrounding his one. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/jan/11/facebook-... https://www.businessinsider.com/mark-zuckerberg-buys-4-homes...
because 1 is not an opinion but a fact. and probably a fact he probably disagree with, like you people don't care about privacy but it's not exactly his fault. then his job is to capitalize on it. why would he care. you would probably do the same ..
Regarding your second point, I think it's more that people don't care as much about privacy if the consequences seem to be low/nonexistent, and they weigh their interest in platforms like Instagram, TikTok, etc. more highly than the potential negative impacts of their privacy being violated. I know users of Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, Slack, etc. who will almost definitely never move to encrypted email because they like the platform and the community. Folks on HN and in the tech sector in general can have quite different experiences with those in the world at-large, and one's viewpoint on this will differ based on who's in your networks. I think it's likely if you walk down the street in Manhattan or LA and ask someone if they know what DRM, copyleft, or GDPR is, the answer will be no. But they will care if the music they have can't be copied/shared, they'll know Wikipedia, and they'll care if their information with Google can't be deleted or is sold to other companies.
Re: Leaked phone number of Mark Zuckerberg reveals he is on Signal
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
But its not the privacy itself that people care about. The reason is people care is because this information can be used to harm them. The reason I care about my credit card number being public is because it can be used to stole my money but If my credit card number can be public while still keeping my money belong to me then I would much prefer that. The better way would be to make everything as public as much as po…
I think this is an important point to make. I think most people, myself included, are fine with sharing personal information if the person i'm sharing it with isn't going to use it against me. That's always been the case dealing with people.
I think that it is clear than then you post on Facebook about my/your/someone's cancer treatment, data aggregators will mark this in your medical records. An insurer 20-30 years from now will easily correlate that my/you/someone's kid has me/you/etc as a father, and therefore have increased chances of cancer (or some other disease) and thus affect their chance to get life insurance or affect the price of premiums.
When you share with FB (imho) it is clear that you don't share with a person, but with a hungry-for-information beast. Didn't people hear about Cambridge Analytica? Is anyone so naive so as to believe that this was 'the end of information leakage' by FB? (or other similar platforms, such as Pinterest - in the case someone makes a "medicine for my X disease" table).
Re: Leaked phone number of Mark Zuckerberg reveals he is on Signal
#120he deleted is signal account already