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In Support of Richard Stallman

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Re: In Support of Richard Stallman

#21

Personal story - I was the person who used to get angry and outraged whenever these stories of harassment were published, taking a stance which was pro the supposed victim. Independently, I used to be a huge fan of Stallman and read a lot of his writings as well as what others wrote about him. So when the story first broke out in 2019, my first reaction was "This is simply not possible." Of course, upon researching f…

Anyway, my 2 cents - get all the necessary background information first before labelling and assassinating the character of a person.

I think this is covered in Jared Diamond's Collapse. During the Salem Witch Trials, there was a point where a good chunk of the accusations were motivated by getting someone out of the way, so they could get their land, or otherwise by land disputes.

Also covered there: Much of the Rwandan genocide seems to have been exploited by land and resource disputes.

Power corrupts. If you give people unchecked power, then that power will be abused. This is just human nature. One group of people who frequently get unchecked power are activists. The press is supposed to the one of their checks and balances, but they are frequently giving only softballs and a free pass. Often fellow journalists even prevent further investigations. This also worked against the aims of the #MeToo movement in the past. This kind of press manipulation needs to be called out. It shouldn't happen.

Many accusations at this point are likely to be exploited for ulterior motives. There's just too much unchecked power in such accusations now to expect otherwise.

I have come to realize that just jumping on the outrage train is not a good strategy and in fact can be dangerous. One must take the time to understand all the facts and only then come to a conclusion.

This is how we get away from the pathologies of the mob -- We as a society need to regain our respect for due process, "innocent until proven guilty," and evidence!

Re: In Support of Richard Stallman

#22
post #4

"Stallman's comprehensive personal philosophy on social matters can make people uncomfortable." Could you include a bit on the site that discusses RMS' "pleasure cards" and how he continued to hand them to women even after he was asked to stop because it made people uncomfortable? https://twitter.com/wiredferret/status/1173042834179534849

This is what really confuses me about the whole situation.

Stallman has a multi-decade history of being disgusting in nearly every way a human being can be. "Pleasure cards" is but one story of too many I've heard from others and as such, I can give additional (when one is enough) reasons why Stallman should go disappear without having to mention anything highly focused on from the last 3-ish years.

People still focusing on arguing that he was taken out context in this current drama have completely missed the point and ignored everything that came before.

Re: In Support of Richard Stallman

#24
post #15

If you believe in the mission of the FSF, then you truly have your head in the sand if you think that resurrecting Stallman is going to help anything. Makes me think this is all culture warriors and nothing at all to do with advancing Free Software.

In many cases, advocates with the FSF are culture warriors of their own sort, one way or another. They once had that same insistence that you properly use their revolutionary jargon.

Re: In Support of Richard Stallman

#25

Just an observation, the male/female ratio on this support letter is dramatically higher than on the letter pushing for resignation https://rms-open-letter.github.io/

Not sure where you're getting your numbers from, but I get the feeling they'd be different if you were only counting biological women as female.

Re: In Support of Richard Stallman

#26
So this is literally a website dedicated to defending the character of a major figure in the open-source world, and it gets flagged.

This is HN - people should be able to make their own judgement on the content of the site and discuss it here.

Re: In Support of Richard Stallman

#27

Unbelievable. This site adds insult to injury by defending pedophelia and links it to trans issues. Are they saying that if the latter is ok, the former is also ok? Sounds like it to me. RMS deserves all the rejection he is getting for this sentiment alone, never mind the other charges. > But he did publish a highly controversial comment[2] in 2006 about the intention of pedophiles in The Netherlands to form a politi…

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Re: In Support of Richard Stallman

#28
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Devils advocate: is there any proof that these aren't just business cards using poor taste humor, like Zuck's "I'm CEO, Bitch." card? Who exactly coined the "pleasure card" moniker? You also noted he continued to hand them out after being asked to stop, but the link doesn't seem to corroborate that (and is a random Twitter accusation at that).

It seems like the users of this site would rather downvote this than actually take the time to think of a response.

Over the years, HN has gotten more and more brigaded by organized ideologues. They're generally quickly hostile, and are apparently more interested in discrediting and combatting than in actual discourse.

Fortunately, their ideological filters generally short circuit their brains and their attention spans. Just keep doing what you do and live for the good conversations.

Re: In Support of Richard Stallman

#29

Unbelievable. This site adds insult to injury by defending pedophelia and links it to trans issues. Are they saying that if the latter is ok, the former is also ok? Sounds like it to me. RMS deserves all the rejection he is getting for this sentiment alone, never mind the other charges. > But he did publish a highly controversial comment[2] in 2006 about the intention of pedophiles in The Netherlands to form a politi…

I agree. This "debunking" is simply a defense of Stallman's views on pedophelia. And Stallman's statement is still on his website. Nothing has changed,

https://www.stallman.org/archives/2006-mar-jun.html

Re: In Support of Richard Stallman

#30

Personal story - I was the person who used to get angry and outraged whenever these stories of harassment were published, taking a stance which was pro the supposed victim. Independently, I used to be a huge fan of Stallman and read a lot of his writings as well as what others wrote about him. So when the story first broke out in 2019, my first reaction was "This is simply not possible." Of course, upon researching f…

Anyway, my 2 cents - get all the necessary background information first before labelling and assassinating the character of a person. I think this is covered in Jared Diamond's Collapse. During the Salem Witch Trials, there was a point where a good chunk of the accusations were motivated by getting someone out of the way, so they could get their land, or otherwise by land disputes. Also covered there: Much of the Rwa…

There are a lot of dynamics and feedback loops at play here. It is a sad situation and I really do not know what can be done at this point...
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