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In Support of Richard Stallman

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Re: In Support of Richard Stallman

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"Stallman's comprehensive personal philosophy on social matters can make people uncomfortable." Could you include a bit on the site that discusses RMS' "pleasure cards" and how he continued to hand them to women even after he was asked to stop because it made people uncomfortable? https://twitter.com/wiredferret/status/1173042834179534849

I remember “tender hugs” being quite the thing in the last quarter of the 20th century. What else is notable about his card?

I'm really trying to understand the issue with the card itself, but the tweet has no further context. Did he only give these out to women? Were they given with other social cues that would indicate he was handing them out as a way to hit on or make a sexual advance towards women? If either of those things are true then I'd understand. But the cards alone look like a business card from a person with a slightly odd sense of humor.

Re: In Support of Richard Stallman

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Personal story - I was the person who used to get angry and outraged whenever these stories of harassment were published, taking a stance which was pro the supposed victim. Independently, I used to be a huge fan of Stallman and read a lot of his writings as well as what others wrote about him.

So when the story first broke out in 2019, my first reaction was "This is simply not possible." Of course, upon researching further in depth, I agree with the sentiments in the linked site and still strongly support Stallman.

I have come to realize that just jumping on the outrage train is not a good strategy and in fact can be dangerous. One must take the time to understand all the facts and only then come to a conclusion. For example, there are huge differences between the Susan Fowler and Ellen Pao stories whereas lot of people just treat them as the same.

Anyway, my 2 cents - get all the necessary background information first before labelling and assassinating the character of a person.

Re: In Support of Richard Stallman

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So I went to their "Debunking False Accusations" page, then clicked through and read the email ("Email #2"), then returned to the page. It feels like they set up a bunch of straw-men which they then went on to debunk.

They don't actually defend the content of "Email #2" but instead claimed that people said untrue things about it and then said those were "lies." But without citing the untrue claims they're debunking, they're just punching air, while leaving the actual inflammatory content of "Email #2" largely uncontested.

Their Claim #4 debunking is essentially just saying "this is accurate, but he changed his mind at some point after this all blow up" (in Sept 2019). Keep in mind that Claim #4 is "I am skeptical of the claim that voluntary pedophilia harms children" from 2006 until it was recanted 10+ years later.

Honestly contrition and growth are better avenues for Stallman rather than this type of "attack the critics" stuff, in particular when they're as weak of defenses and nameless critics as shown here. This is one of those things that someone should have written, read back, slept on, and then hit the delete key because they realized it defeats itself.

Re: In Support of Richard Stallman

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If you believe in the mission of the FSF, then you truly have your head in the sand if you think that resurrecting Stallman is going to help anything. Makes me think this is all culture warriors and nothing at all to do with advancing Free Software.

Re: In Support of Richard Stallman

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post #4

"Stallman's comprehensive personal philosophy on social matters can make people uncomfortable." Could you include a bit on the site that discusses RMS' "pleasure cards" and how he continued to hand them to women even after he was asked to stop because it made people uncomfortable? https://twitter.com/wiredferret/status/1173042834179534849

Devils advocate: is there any proof that these aren't just business cards using poor taste humor, like Zuck's "I'm CEO, Bitch." card? Who exactly coined the "pleasure card" moniker? You also noted he continued to hand them out after being asked to stop, but the link doesn't seem to corroborate that (and is a random Twitter accusation at that).

It seems like the users of this site would rather downvote this than actually take the time to think of a response.

Re: In Support of Richard Stallman

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Personal story - I was the person who used to get angry and outraged whenever these stories of harassment were published, taking a stance which was pro the supposed victim. Independently, I used to be a huge fan of Stallman and read a lot of his writings as well as what others wrote about him. So when the story first broke out in 2019, my first reaction was "This is simply not possible." Of course, upon researching f…

I just wonder why he hasn't updated or amended his website,

https://www.google.com/search?q=pedophile+site%3Astallman.or...

Re: In Support of Richard Stallman

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Unbelievable. This site adds insult to injury by defending pedophelia and links it to trans issues. Are they saying that if the latter is ok, the former is also ok? Sounds like it to me. RMS deserves all the rejection he is getting for this sentiment alone, never mind the other charges.

> But he did publish a highly controversial comment[2] in 2006 about the intention of pedophiles in The Netherlands to form a political party. Stallman wrote, "I am skeptical of the claim that voluntary pedophilia harms children." People today don't think that a prepubertal human being—a child—is capable of understanding all the implications of sexual activity, and in some cases this is so even after puberty. So, in widespread social opinion, “voluntary” does not apply. However, when we make an unprejudiced analysis of this thought, we can see a connection to skepticism which is typical of scientific thinking and inquisitive minds. Skepticism has a role to play in challenging social norms as in “I'm skeptical that human binary genders constitute an immutable truth.”

https://stallmansupport.org/debunking-false-accusations-agai...

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