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Amazon illegally fired activist workers, Labor Board finds

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Why do people think the promotion of diversity is part of some nefarious global plot?

I don’t think anyone is claiming that it is “part of some nefarious global plot” in the discrete, conspiratorial sense you are suggesting.

When modern Americans and Europeans rail against "diversity" as being the cause of their woes, it's almost certainly based on what boils down to some flavor of the "white genocide" conspiracy theory.

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Because of the well funded propaganda networks in the US that push that notion.

That people should be given equal opportunity and not just the opportunity they were born with because their parents where lynched for voting?

Poster meant propaganda networks that push the idea it is a plot.

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There's also a response to one of those reasons. > After Amazon told them that they had violated its external communications policy by speaking publicly about the business, their group organized 400 employees to also speak out, purposely violating the policy to make a point. So, Amazon fired then for publicly speaking about the business. Their statement saying that it was for violating internal policy seems deliberat…

> That Amazon had a policy against speaking publicly is not a point in Amazon's favor. Not to defend Amazon, but on this point, every job I've ever had included a policy that amounted to "do not speak publicly about the business." Do others think this is unusual?

Unusual or not, it's still restrictive. I think it's reasonable to prohibit employees from speaking publicly on behalf of the business, but restricting speech otherwise is a pretty shitty thing to do.

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Sure Amazon might not like them for their advocacy, but if they really did unapologetically break internal policies then I think Amazon's firing them is valid. Assuming they did leak private company information or try to organize a massive social gathering during the pandemic, the response was valid. They were probably targets, but as a target you shouldn't be breaking rules at work.

Seems like those internal policies violate labor law.

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Their spokesperson did not wish to say what policies they claim were violated. They were presented an opportunity to state their side, and chose not to.

The spokesperson had no choice. Speaking publicly in ways that harm the company's brand is against policy, a fireable offense.

The spokesperson is a representative of the company, what they say is what the company wants said publicly about the issue. I wasn't blaming them personally, I was saying the company's point of view was given in the article.

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That's the reason why I don't buy anything from Amazon and prefer to pay a bit more to a local store instead.

Yes, and without too much effort one can also just shop online at other retailers (in case one lives way out in a rural area). Maybe free 2-day shipping won't happen at other places, but free shipping and equivalent prices are easy to find.

It's been at least 5 years since Amazon has had competitive prices for the things that I buy.

Most of the manufactured items on Amazon are just white label products from Alibaba, and you can buy them cheaper on AliExpress.

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That's the reason why I don't buy anything from Amazon and prefer to pay a bit more to a local store instead.

Been using Target Staples, and Bestbuy more and while they don’t always have the same items, brand names end up being roughly the same price due to auto price matching and contractual minimum prices. Only times I’m using amazon is for cheap items no one else will ship. They’ve really just turned into AliExpress.

> Only times I’m using amazon is for cheap items no one else will ship. They’ve really just turned into AliExpress.

I've been impressed with what sellers on Etsy offer when it comes to things that can't be found through AliExpress or domestic retailers.

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This case is something to keep in mind anytime Amazon comments on any labor matter, be it minimum wage, visas, diversity, work conditions, contractors, anything at all. Amazon is not commenting on those issues with anything in mind other than its own interests.

That’s literally every publicly traded company, not just Amazon.

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Been using Target Staples, and Bestbuy more and while they don’t always have the same items, brand names end up being roughly the same price due to auto price matching and contractual minimum prices. Only times I’m using amazon is for cheap items no one else will ship. They’ve really just turned into AliExpress.

> They’ve really just turned into AliExpress. For a quick and concrete example of this, do a search on Amazon for "dent puller". You'll get pages and pages of obviously identical suction cups and dent removal kits with obviously randomly generated brand names like "LTGABA" and "QGMZZMF".

To cement this example, do a search for a product like this on Amazon, and then do the same search on Alibaba/AliExpress. Most sellers on Amazon don't even bother changing the stock images from the ones on AliExpress.

It really drives the point home that you're paying premiums to unnecessary middlemen by buying on Amazon.

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It could make it hard to recruit new Sr people and leaders in their fields. I would never consider working at Amazon.

Maybe some will balk, but not all. There is probably enough overlap between "talented devs and designers" and "people who think unions are bad and/or don't care" that it won't affect their hiring pipeline. That said, I think highly-paid tech contributors do have the most leverage out of any other labor market participant right now. The more of us that don't want to work for anti-union companies, the better.

The two unions I’ve worked for before getting a job in tech were terrible.

At one I was physically threatened with violence for being too productive and the other allocated work times/roles by seniority instead of ability. If you happened to not be friends with the union president, then you better really enjoy cleaning the bathrooms.

You seem to be under the impression that unions are always good and that certainly isn’t the case. I’ve had zero good experiences and I’m not keen to have another bad experience, thanks.

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