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Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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I'm not especially pro-Samsung, and I'm just one consumer and I'm sure that for every unhappy one, there's someone who loves LG or loathes Samsung, but I will never buy any LG product at all if there's something else available which is about equivalent. They sold me their top-end phone, years ago, for a top-end price, on the basis that they would update Android in the next three months. It was a nice phone, but three…

I have a Samsung phone that used to be their top of the line. I have never updated it because I know the next update disables call recording. I believe any subsequent phone has non-working (probably not in every region) call recording so that is a deal breaker for me. It seems like they got lobbied by insurance companies who scam people over the phone (they promise options that turn out to be a lie) and you can't rea…

> It seems like they got lobbied by insurance companies who scam people over the phone

I always wondered why Android disabled call recording.

Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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I wouldn't discard Huawei, they are on par with Samsung.

Huawei is basically dead as a consumer brand after USA and EU went after them [0]. They've re-branded most of their consumer stuff as Xiaomi. [0] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/chinese-telecommunications-co...

Did you mean their Honor brand instead of Xiaomi, which is an entirely different manufacturer?

Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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I never understood why Samsung phones were constantly receiving praise by tech reviewers while LG got crapped on. Samsung always wanted to do things their way -- different (shitty) UI, Samsung versions of all the core Google apps (but worse), reorganizing preferences for no reason, the stupid bottom button placement, non-remappable Bixby button, aggressively killing apps for power management and breaking widgets, etc…

Because at large people don't select their phone based on what you mention. What does matter I believe is marketing. I think most importantly is Samsung's image presence vs LG. Can't remember the last time I've seen a TV advert for LG. Or a billboard in the city center, or youtube hype from influencers, etc. While Samsung is everywhere. Second is the cool factor. LG has none while Samsung have this as a priority. Fro…

My nephew asked me what my phone was. I said a OnePlus 7 Pro. He said "is that a Samsung?" My anecdote suggests there is only iPhone and Samsung that people choose between. Of course many know there are other options, but that seems like the mindset of the masses.

Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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Microsoft, of course, famously did create their own phone OS. It wasn’t bad either, but among other problems they were a little late to market and there were no apps for it. A real chicken and egg problem. Not worth the engineering effort to build an app for a tiny marketshare and no one wants a smartphone that can’t even hail an Uber.

Having developed for windows phone 8, 8.1 and 10 i can say with certainty that it was bad in a plethora of ways and microsoft's constant over promising and under delivering made it worse.

Compared to competing OSes at the time? I don’t remember any being particularly fun. (But also I didn’t spend much time in the Windows Phone ecosystem)

But I think you’re right that MS lost focus on developers on mobile. Ironic given "developers, developers, developers" was the literal mantra.

Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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The mobile phone ecosystem is sick, and I don't see it getting better. The fact that there is not a third choice is maddening. Even in the worst parts of the Microsoft era we had Apple as the underdog. Apple products had issues, but Apple die-hards at least could rest easy knowing that they were buying into a company who stood for something. In the mobile space the underdog is Google; a company who sees dealing with…

You are blaming the wrong company. Qualcomm is the company that makes it hard to do alternative software platforms for mobile. Even apple still licenses their solutions (they are working on their own modem but have not shipped that yet). The issue is to get your hardware + software solution certified for use on mobile networks. That's very hard and it's not a very fair game. It requires a nod of approval from operators and intellectual property from Qualcomm.

Apple simply plays the FOMO factor. They do deals with operators. And the deal is typically "take it or leave it and watch your customers jump to your competitors". When they first did that, a few operators were smart enough to say yes. The rest has since learned to do as Apple says. But even so, Apple pays the Qualcomm tax.

The rest of the phone industry plays this game by just sharing a lot of components (Google's Android, Qualcomm's hardware, Samsung screens, Sony camera sensors, etc.). Google has tried to get into that market directly by buying Motorola at some point and by doing their Nexus and Pixel phones. But they never really became a dominant manufacturer. Google is a supplier of mostly software in this space.

Out of all that stuff, Qualcomm is the one that has the keys to the ecosystem. You need 4G/5G compatibility, which they provide via their hardware and software. And you need to get your solution certified. Without that you have an interesting device that does not talk to a mobile network. Even if you manage to build your own version of that (which is hard, but e.g. Apple is doing it), you still need to get it certified and then after you succeed with that, you need to license a lot of patents from Qualcomm to actually ship it. The price of entry to the market is very high. Long story short, there are not a lot of alternatives in the market and a few that have issues being allowed in mainstream markets like the US for IP licensing reasons.

Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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I never understood why Samsung phones were constantly receiving praise by tech reviewers while LG got crapped on. Samsung always wanted to do things their way -- different (shitty) UI, Samsung versions of all the core Google apps (but worse), reorganizing preferences for no reason, the stupid bottom button placement, non-remappable Bixby button, aggressively killing apps for power management and breaking widgets, etc…

Samsung always had better screens and cameras than anyone else. That's all they needed. They still have the best screens today. They still have the best cameras besides apple today.

Sharp has very nice screens but beyond that it's HMD garbage and bricks easily if you root it. Good hardware is worthless if the software sucks or even if the phone is obscure (meaning no support, no mods).

Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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Because at large people don't select their phone based on what you mention. What does matter I believe is marketing. I think most importantly is Samsung's image presence vs LG. Can't remember the last time I've seen a TV advert for LG. Or a billboard in the city center, or youtube hype from influencers, etc. While Samsung is everywhere. Second is the cool factor. LG has none while Samsung have this as a priority. Fro…

My nephew asked me what my phone was. I said a OnePlus 7 Pro. He said "is that a Samsung?" My anecdote suggests there is only iPhone and Samsung that people choose between. Of course many know there are other options, but that seems like the mindset of the masses.

+1 for OnePlus. I started years back on the 2, upgraded more recently to the 6T. Will take a lot of convincing for me to even think about anyone else.

Same experience though, people have either heard of it and rave about it, or ask who makes it.

Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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The mobile phone ecosystem is sick, and I don't see it getting better. The fact that there is not a third choice is maddening. Even in the worst parts of the Microsoft era we had Apple as the underdog. Apple products had issues, but Apple die-hards at least could rest easy knowing that they were buying into a company who stood for something. In the mobile space the underdog is Google; a company who sees dealing with…

> The fact that there is not a third choice is maddening

Even more so because Windows Phone was actually a pretty nice OS with some really interesting ideas. It just came far too late.

Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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Stock Android UI is ugly? Now that's a first. I've harbored the suspicion those who prefer "theming" their phones are not detail oriented. That or they're fine with the trade-offs. For example I've always noticed inconsistencies and jankiness with anything that's not close to stock Android. Be it Samsung's TouchWiz or others, all are like a cheap veneer of dross over stock Android. They all just feel so tacky.

Yes, quite ugly full of eye burning white

There's a dark mode in the last 2? 3? versions? The main problem with Android wrt visual jank is now that lockscreen doesn't respect the night light, that night light fades in after unlock instead of being on immediately and that the automatic brightness has feedback loops that make brightness spike when display turns on or changes to white content (sensor detects phone light as ambient and turns up the brightness, over and over).

Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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What I find most sad about this is that LG appears to be the only manufacturer who makes phones with both wireless charging and a headphone jack. Somehow these features seem to contradict themselfs for other manufacturers. Wireless charging is seen as a premium feature, while headphone jack is seen as a budget feature. I unfortunately have gotten so used to both that I don't want to give them up. I love my wired head…

Agree, still typing with a V30 and rocking.

Amazing pictures and nice and slim look, working with no problems for years now.

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