So if I use HTTPS and encrypted DNS what's my risk here? What are they able to record?
The UK Is Trying to Stop Facebook's End-to-End Encryption
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#42Is there any co-ordinated political response to this in the UK? Where do I sign up?
I don't want to be "blackpilled" about it. But there is literally nothing that can be done about it. None of the politicians in the UK seem to care about freedom of speech, right to privacy or anything else that is classically liberal. Everyone in the UK either supports it or is resigned to it. Also almost nobody in the IT industry seems to care about it either (I've worked at quite a few places as a consultant).
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#43They want to compromise entire country security, just to make it easy for LE. Problem is that I doubt it will help in any way because criminals will still be able to communicate with e2e if they will be encrypting traffic themselves and then disguise it as normal text etc. It will be a cat and mouse game. Not sure why they don't sack people coming with such stupid, totalitarian and abusive ideas.
Yeah, how long before it's illegal to send storage devices through the mail? Packages scanned, no storage device shipping permit, package captured and opened, sender/reciever prosecuted for trafficking encryption keys.
Then stop and search and looking through phone for encryption software and so on... It's looking bleak
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
This all only works in theory. In reality police in the UK is mostly useless if you tried to report a crime. They won't touch anything unless it gets them PR points or you present all evidence, track the perpetrators and so on and still they may drop it because the judge wouldn't give them time so why bother. It's a problem that media don't talk about.
This is true with with minor crime. It's not true at all of violent crime, or serious cases; if you're knocked down by a drunk driver, the police absolutely are very good to you and do -- eventually -- get there. Minor theft? Expect less. Copyright infringement? Hope you are a big player, otherwise piss off...
From my experience I disagree, even violent crime not always gets followed up. It's usually down to who committed it, who reports it, what is the chance of public outrage if ignored etc. It is maybe different in other parts of the country, sure.
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
Does DNS over HTTPS allow the dns provider to see beyond the domain name?
I am guessing the parent commenter is wondering if the full URL can be deciphered from DoH. In the way DoH is being used in practice, it alllows third parties to collect histories of DNS lookups for myriad users, separated by individual program. In other words, the third party can tell which program was used by a given user to initiate any given DNS lookup. The program often reveals identifying information about the…
Makes sense, thanks for explaining the bigger picture.
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#46Is there any co-ordinated political response to this in the UK? Where do I sign up?
I don't want to be "blackpilled" about it. But there is literally nothing that can be done about it. None of the politicians in the UK seem to care about freedom of speech, right to privacy or anything else that is classically liberal. Everyone in the UK either supports it or is resigned to it. Also almost nobody in the IT industry seems to care about it either (I've worked at quite a few places as a consultant).
There is nothing that you can do about it, so people are just apathetic. Only way to change something is by voting, but there is no party that would have a chance of winning that would support freedom of speech. People literally think that if you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to worry about. When I tried to move some of my friends to Signal and told them that someone can read our messages, they just said so what. You also have this propaganda about being open, transparent with everything that you do and people share things themselves and they find it enjoyable.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://www.wired.com/2011/05/warrantless-house-search/ > yet houses are still sold without built-in surveillance cameras, that would let law enforcement look at the recording of what you were doing (with a warrant, of course!) yet, but it could come. I can imagine offline AI detector that spies on you 24/7 in your house and only sends footage when it detects something illegal so the police wouldn't do the monitoring…
I mean... people are already dumb and security-blind enough to willingly implant surveillance bugs into their homes (Alexa, Google Home, un-neutered smart TVs etc.). Just because these are manufactured and controlled by the private sector doesn't mean it's not just a stepping stone for some kind of mandated surveillance equipment installed into homes in future. No. Thanks.
Imagine people could see on their telly what they said during the day and number of likes from the officers who watch them. The more correctly you behave, more likes you get and maybe a tax rebate. This is going to be the future.
Modern politics in the UK is heavy influenced by R Thaler. People are being slowly nudged towards such concepts.
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#48>> One industry source who has spoken with government figures is skeptical that such a radical scenario will come to pass And yet the Investigatory Powers Act[1] passed into law in the UK and has never been repealed. We haven't seen a headline like "local ambulance chief spied on my wife's porn browsing habits" so far but I do wonder if there have been any abuses by now? [1] That's the law which allows people like yo…
Getting a warrant to spy on your neighbours wife would be like robbing a bank and leaving a note for the cops. It's literally a crime done right in front of the police, with official records and signatures for you to be prosecuted. The Justice system has all sorts of power. A cop can arrest you, right now, for no reason at all - which is totally against the law, but he could do it, you'd have to file a redress and ho…
> It's literally a crime done right in front of the police, with official records and signatures for you to be prosecuted.
How does the party know they have been wronged? Are they notified that someone has been given access to their browsing history?
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#49>> One industry source who has spoken with government figures is skeptical that such a radical scenario will come to pass And yet the Investigatory Powers Act[1] passed into law in the UK and has never been repealed. We haven't seen a headline like "local ambulance chief spied on my wife's porn browsing habits" so far but I do wonder if there have been any abuses by now? [1] That's the law which allows people like yo…
i assume in days of https, most of the history they would be able to obtain are only domain names, not specific URLs, right?
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#50>> One industry source who has spoken with government figures is skeptical that such a radical scenario will come to pass And yet the Investigatory Powers Act[1] passed into law in the UK and has never been repealed. We haven't seen a headline like "local ambulance chief spied on my wife's porn browsing habits" so far but I do wonder if there have been any abuses by now? [1] That's the law which allows people like yo…
i assume in days of https, most of the history they would be able to obtain are only domain names, not specific URLs, right?
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