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i assume in days of https, most of the history they would be able to obtain are only domain names, not specific URLs, right?
Hence the desire to backdoor all encryption to see the full juicy details. Also the reason DNS over HTTPS exists and is spreading.
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#22"... and asking for stricter regulation of the technology" Like, stricter regulation of mathematics?
Right now, mass consumer use of technology for communication is predicated by: 1. There being a service provider that is a legal entity. 2. The service provider providing the client software. 3. The service provider gatekeeping to the social network that makes the system useful. 4. Consumers not generally being able or willing to interfere with their client end software to add E2E on top of what the service provider…
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Right now, mass consumer use of technology for communication is predicated by: 1. There being a service provider that is a legal entity. 2. The service provider providing the client software. 3. The service provider gatekeeping to the social network that makes the system useful. 4. Consumers not generally being able or willing to interfere with their client end software to add E2E on top of what the service provider…
You can still communicate with end to end encryption even if they setup mitm. You just need to exchange keys and then encrypt/decrypt yourself. If this becomes a law someone will quickly come up with such an extra layer. It is going to be a cat and mouse game, people will have no privacy and criminals will always find a way, as you cannot regulate maths.
I already considered this in my predicate: 4. Consumers not generally being able or willing to interfere with their client end software to add E2E on top of what the service provider does, even if that is technically feasible.
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#26It's always either "Think of the children!" or "X will only be used to investigate the most serious of crimes like terrorism, rape and murder" which shortly afterwards is then (quietly) forgotten about when something like browsing history etc. can be downloaded by basically anyone in government(s). Maybe there is a restriction snort where such an action requires a warrant but considering that "judges" and "courts" fo…
Interestingly this is originally a French saying by Louis XV, Après moi, le déluge [0]. From wiki:
> It is generally regarded as a nihilistic expression of indifference to whatever happens after one is gone, though it may also express a more literal forecasting of ruination. Its meaning is translated by Brewer in the forms "When I am dead the deluge may come for aught I care", and "Ruin, if you like, when we are dead and gone."
It looks like the German translation of the same idiom was popularised by Marx [1].
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apr%C3%A8s_moi,_le_d%C3%A9luge
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can still communicate with end to end encryption even if they setup mitm. You just need to exchange keys and then encrypt/decrypt yourself. If this becomes a law someone will quickly come up with such an extra layer. It is going to be a cat and mouse game, people will have no privacy and criminals will always find a way, as you cannot regulate maths.
> You can still communicate with end to end encryption even if they setup mitm. I already considered this in my predicate: 4. Consumers not generally being able or willing to interfere with their client end software to add E2E on top of what the service provider does, even if that is technically feasible.
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Getting a warrant to spy on your neighbours wife would be like robbing a bank and leaving a note for the cops. It's literally a crime done right in front of the police, with official records and signatures for you to be prosecuted. The Justice system has all sorts of power. A cop can arrest you, right now, for no reason at all - which is totally against the law, but he could do it, you'd have to file a redress and ho…
This all only works in theory. In reality police in the UK is mostly useless if you tried to report a crime. They won't touch anything unless it gets them PR points or you present all evidence, track the perpetrators and so on and still they may drop it because the judge wouldn't give them time so why bother. It's a problem that media don't talk about.
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#29Is there any co-ordinated political response to this in the UK? Where do I sign up?
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Except if you have a root certificate, then you can MITM you heart away. Which govs probably have.
yes, but it'd be the ISPs storing the internet history