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The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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Just depends where you live. Plenty of gigabit connections in London.

London average fibre availability is 21%, sure that's better than nothing but I'm not sure I could say 1 in 5 is "plenty", especially compared to cities with >99% coverage. There's no reason for London's poor coverage rates except deliberate telecoms underfunding. London should also have >99% coverage by now, but instead we play catch up in the post-covid world while available bandwidth for many residents can not ade…

There are other reasons. For example I think Kensington and Chelsea balked at the idea of having the on-street infra for some schemes. Same reason they don't have nice cycling infra.

I'm surprised line-of-sight across the rooftops hasn't taken off yet. Seems like the density would make it worthwhile, but maybe there's some unseen factor at play.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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Here is the actual list of myths with some text on each one. [1] This gets posted on HN a lot, but sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who actually clicks through and reads the debunking? Only about a 30 - 40% are actually false (eg. "No EU plan to ban Union Flag from British meat packs"), the majority are true, and the "debunking" takes the form of explaining why it's a good thing (eg. "EC plan to ban noisy toys"…

> No they don't ban vegetables with the wrong dimensions, they just put them in a lower quality class that no supermarkets will buy. That’s not a distinction without a difference it’s literally the only thing relevant to fruit and veg classification. Obviously Supermarket always buys classified fruit & veg (and did before the EU). And obviously in a common market those classifications must be the same . A ban on ugly…

Is is good that fruit is classified this way? Isn't it a truism at this point that large, nice looking fruit tastes worse?

Even if classification is necessary (and pre-dates the EU), should every country use the same classification? Or should they each do their own? If France decides they're tired of using the EU classification system, are they allowed to?

There are real differences of opinion about questions like this and these differences (rather than bare facts) are what's being disputed here.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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The TV show "Yes, Minister" was a truly amazing show because of the brilliant writing, and how humorously it could speak the truth: Sir Humphrey Appleby: The Foreign Office is pro-Europe because it’s really anti-Europe. The civil service was united in its desire to make sure that the Common Market didn’t work. That’s why we went into it. Britain has had the same foreign policy objective for at least 500 years: to cre…

> The TV show "Yes, Minister" […]

Was basically written as ideological propaganda, per the show creator:

> The fallacy that public choice economics took on was the fallacy that government is working entirely for the benefit of the citizen; and this was reflected by showing that in any [episode] in the programme, in Yes Minister, we showed that almost everything that the government has to decide is a conflict between two lots of private interest – that of the politicians and that of the civil servants trying to advance their own careers and improve their own lives. And that's why public choice economics, which explains why all this was going on, was at the root of almost every episode of Yes Minister and Yes, Prime Minister.[17]

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes_Minister#Politics

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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post #95
post #89

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You'd be surprised... https://www.cen.eu/news/brochures/brochures/CEN-CLC_Child-Sa...

That's CEN, not EU

Yes, CEN, an public official standards body recognized by the EU, and whose members are "all member states of the European Union":

CEN is officially recognized as a European standards body by the European Union, European Free Trade Association and the United Kingdom; the other official European standards bodies are the European Committee for Electrotechnical Standardization (CENELEC) and the European Telecommunications Standards Institute (ETSI).

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's CEN, not EU

Yes, CEN, an public official standards body recognized by the EU, and whose members are "all member states of the European Union": CEN is officially recognized as a European standards body by the European Union, European Free Trade Association and the United Kingdom; the other official European standards bodies are the European Committee for Electrotechnical Standardization (CENELEC) and the European Telecommunicatio…

You seem to be making the (rather common) mistake of confusing European organisations with EU institutions. CEN is not a part of the EU. It was founded to establish standards among European countries long before the EU even existed, and it has members outside the EU as well. The EU does indeed recognize it, as does the UK (and did long before the EU even existed), but the EU didn't create it and doesn't control it.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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post #93

The differences here are over values not facts. Specific examples aside, the EU buys into the idea that you can harmonize society with the right laws. The Brits were never going to be okay with that. It's a continental idea and inimical to common law. This is a country where they don't have ids. They passed a law to create ids but then it was repealed and the ids were destroyed. You can read Notes from a Small Island…

Okay, so for "The disastrous decision to share a currency", it seems that this argument is coming a lot in exchanges i have, and always with the same kind of people: those that either don't know about economy at all (because, let's face it, its not really interesting except for nerds like me), or those at the dunning-Kruger peak in macroeconomy.

You should read about ECU and ERM, and research speculative currency attack and how much money it cost England and Norway every year. There was a good reason for the Euro, especially for smaller countries in Europe.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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post #126
post #93

The differences here are over values not facts. Specific examples aside, the EU buys into the idea that you can harmonize society with the right laws. The Brits were never going to be okay with that. It's a continental idea and inimical to common law. This is a country where they don't have ids. They passed a law to create ids but then it was repealed and the ids were destroyed. You can read Notes from a Small Island…

Okay, so for "The disastrous decision to share a currency", it seems that this argument is coming a lot in exchanges i have, and always with the same kind of people: those that either don't know about economy at all (because, let's face it, its not really interesting except for nerds like me), or those at the dunning-Kruger peak in macroeconomy. You should read about ECU and ERM, and research speculative currency att…

> or those at the dunning-Kruger peak in macroeconomy.

There is no DK peak except rhe actual skill peak. DK has people’s self-ssessment of relative skill improving with actual skill, but consistently being pushed toward about the 70th percentile from actual relative performance.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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The TV show "Yes, Minister" was a truly amazing show because of the brilliant writing, and how humorously it could speak the truth: Sir Humphrey Appleby: The Foreign Office is pro-Europe because it’s really anti-Europe. The civil service was united in its desire to make sure that the Common Market didn’t work. That’s why we went into it. Britain has had the same foreign policy objective for at least 500 years: to cre…

> The TV show "Yes, Minister" The entire show is a jewel. Highly recommended.

Just don't watch the modern remake of "Yes, Prime Minister". It lost everything that made the original special and turned it into your standard low-brow buffoonery show.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No they don't ban vegetables with the wrong dimensions, they just put them in a lower quality class that no supermarkets will buy. That’s not a distinction without a difference it’s literally the only thing relevant to fruit and veg classification. Obviously Supermarket always buys classified fruit & veg (and did before the EU). And obviously in a common market those classifications must be the same . A ban on ugly…

Is is good that fruit is classified this way? Isn't it a truism at this point that large, nice looking fruit tastes worse? Even if classification is necessary (and pre-dates the EU), should every country use the same classification? Or should they each do their own? If France decides they're tired of using the EU classification system, are they allowed to? There are real differences of opinion about questions like th…

> Is is good that fruit is classified this way?

So long as consumers prefer it, It’s unavoidable I think. It’s also hard to change.

But the thing is, lower grade isn’t wasted or much cheaper, it’s a bit cheaper but not enough so that consumers would choose it. So if a supermarket has 10 kind of apples, not one will be 2nd class. Why? Lots of reasons. Because people believe good looking fruit keeps better or tastes better perhaps. Because consumers buy fruit also as decoration, for example. But the same consumers also buy juice and ketchup and that’s where they buy the 2nd class fruit! We buy most our fruit and veg that way. I want my 1 orange I buy to use for my old fashioned cocktail to be without blemishes. The 10 oranges I buy as orange juice I don’t care how ugly they are.

> Isn't it a truism at this point that large, nice looking fruit tastes worse?

I think it’s pretty common at least that well tasting and slow varieties have more taste but have been displaced by beautiful fast growing varieties. It’s a shame but I’m not sure there is an easy solution to this problem. For cooking veg I’d love to buy ugly and better tasting.

> Even if classification is necessary (and pre-dates the EU), should every country use the same classification? Or should they each do their own? If France decides they're tired of using the EU classification system, are they allowed to?

Why then use the same classification in the whole country? Where there is one market there is one classification system.

This isn’t a classification invented for consumers, this is so someone ordering a ton of apples can compare the price they get from the Spanish grower with that of the Italian one. Without actually seeing the produce. In the consumer end, these classifications are mostly useless. The question is then: could the EU market function and be fair without some of the regulations such as classifications? Perhaps. And these things come and go. For one country to get an exception is difficult. If France wishes to change the classification system they’d probably do better by trying to change it. Again - the classifications aren’t important for French supermarket shoppers, it’s about whether an importer can directly compare French and Spanish produce. If French exporters want to sell on the EU market they’ll probably need to follow those rules.

Could they drop some EU rule where supermarkets don’t need to display these classifications to consumers? That sounds much easier. I’m not sure that’s even a requirement and if it is it seems quite unnecessary.

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