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Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by s_fischer »

why_Mr_Anderson wrote: post #43
em-bee wrote: post #17

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good point. but when it comes to slow reaction times, if the guide is giving the wrong order, by the time the captain can counteract that it may be to late. but you are right. we'll just have to wait until we know more about what really happened

Not sure if reaction time plays any role when talking about ship this size. It takes time for it to respond for any command, e.g. course change.

I'm not even remotely qualified on anything ship related so my question might be totally pointless.

But by your logic, couldn't one argue that reaction time plays a rather large role? If you are navigating a narrow canal with thin margins for error, wouldn't you need good timing to start a manuever at a certain point so that the ship is able to respond by the time that you need to truly adjust it's position? If some sort of weather event/anomaly caused an unexpected change of course, wouldn't reaction time be even more critical because you have less time to make a correction if you don't act immediately?

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by Maursault »

pmorici wrote: post #88

This story itself seems to be perpetuating a small false hood by captioning the leading photo as, “Egypt’s first female ship’s captain”. If you read the article it then says she was the first female to be accepted to Egypt’s merchant navy school and in the second to last sentence says she is currently the rank of fist mate though will be a Captain soon if she passes her exam. She is also clearly wearing the rank of f…

There could be equivocation of a military rank [1] and a mariner license [2].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_(naval)

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_captain

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by rocknor »

mobilefriendly wrote: post #67
dathinab wrote: post #23

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It's not mentioned because it likely doesn't matter and is rather complicated as: - Ships large navigating the canal normally do so through pilots specialized in it provided by whoever operates the canal. And while the captain still is in control he/she delegates the control to this pilots under his/here supervision (as they are still responsible for the ship I think). So even if the captain is responsible he/she was…

No other ships were impacted by the storm. If the captain was a European or American national he'd be all over the news. His identity is newsworthy. My guess is that the Western media is having trouble confirming the identity of the captain and/or finding any details of his identity.

> If the captain was a European or American national he'd be all over the news.

Citation needed. HN is going down the drain with low quality comments like these. Identities are probably hidden to prevent Western media from spinning a bullshit narrative about how the crew nationality was a factor in the accident and get more clicks with clickbait headlines.

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by why_Mr_Anderson »

s_fischer wrote: post #131
why_Mr_Anderson wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure if reaction time plays any role when talking about ship this size. It takes time for it to respond for any command, e.g. course change.

I'm not even remotely qualified on anything ship related so my question might be totally pointless. But by your logic, couldn't one argue that reaction time plays a rather large role? If you are navigating a narrow canal with thin margins for error, wouldn't you need good timing to start a manuever at a certain point so that the ship is able to respond by the time that you need to truly adjust it's position? If some…

What I was trying to say was that even if the captain instantly tried to reverse the course, ship has already started to move and due to size its momentum is enormous.

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by criley2 »

hashkb wrote: post #85
criley2 wrote: post #72

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Men in China have less rights than women in America. At some point, it becomes shortsighted to lose sight of where we are.

So let's give up on fixing anything because it's always worse somewhere else?

What an outrageous example of a straw man, I never suggested anything of the sort.

Women here can run for president, own newspapers, vote and own guns and property. That's more free than most people these days.

We should celebrate that best of all time freedom for women. Never in history have women been as equal and empowered as right now and right here.

We should care more about our chinese and other brothers and sisters who live an oppressed life of authoritarian rule.

All people deserve what american women have, and all Americans deserve more than we've achieved, and american women deserve more. All of these can be true.

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by criley2 »

patcon wrote: post #92
criley2 wrote: post #72

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Men in China have less rights than women in America. At some point, it becomes shortsighted to lose sight of where we are.

Jumping to a completely different edge in the graph of human relationships seems like a poor way to get through anything, be it a conversation or an actual social challenge. Networks are local. Speaking and making negating cases based on far-away, low-connectivity areas makes little sense and serves no one except those favouring inaction or an abundance of caution (for whatever reasons). Anyhow, I'm saying the above…

What in the world? This is the most out of place reply I've ever received. I can't begin to understand what you think you read and the volumes of strange assumption you made about me

I honestly don't know if this reply represents sanity at all. Literally nothing in the reply even appears to relate to a single word I said. The entire reply appears to be based on a completely different post?

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Post by read_if_gay_ »

Retric wrote: post #124
read_if_gay_ wrote: post #120

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You don’t know how often I see the face of someone driving. Why make such assumptions?

Physics. You can see a lot more cars than you can identify the gender of the cars driver. For example on a freeway at night, how many cars in front of you can you see vs how many drivers genders can you identify and remember. Now sure, the smaller percentage may still add up to a significant number. But people do a crap job of limiting their mental tallies to only the people they actually verify. If they assume someo…

It’s a smaller sample than all cars I ever see, sure. But it’s still fairly big. If I look at a car I’ll usually try to look at the drivers face too, just because it’s useful information to know where they are directing their attention. I don’t think that’s particularly idiosyncratic and so it seems like a somewhat cheap argument to me to imply that people are basically just willfully deluding themselves.

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Post by read_if_gay_ »

sanj wrote: post #109
read_if_gay_ wrote: post #101

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Intuitively, it seems correct that in aggregate, women kill less people on the road. From personal experience, most people can drive well enough regardless of who or what they are, but if someone's driving extremely riskily then it's almost always youngish males. But also, if someone's exceptionally incompetent then it's usually old people or women. The distribution skews at the extremes and that's where the common p…

I work hard to discount “personal experience,” even mine, when actual data is available.

That’s great and not enough people do it. Which is kind of my point I guess.

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Post by foogazi »

read_if_gay_ wrote: post #101
sanj wrote: post #39

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HN is a place for data: https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/27/1/71.abstract Men pose higher per-km risk to others than women for all modes except buses, as well as being over-represented among users of the most dangerous vehicles. (From abstract)

Intuitively, it seems correct that in aggregate, women kill less people on the road. From personal experience, most people can drive well enough regardless of who or what they are, but if someone's driving extremely riskily then it's almost always youngish males. But also, if someone's exceptionally incompetent then it's usually old people or women. The distribution skews at the extremes and that's where the common p…

Parent: > HN is a place for data

You: > From personal experience...most...almost always...usually

c’mon, try harder

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by simias »

hashkb wrote: post #125
simias wrote: post #99

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Again, I don't care to find them excuses. "Somebody called me a loser so I decided to spew bullshit online" is what losers do. I'd much rather empathize with this captain who was targeted solely because she's a woman. That seems like a much better use of my time than caring about keyboard warriors on twitter or 4chan.

I'm talking about addressing systemic issues in our culture (like calling any group we don't like by a bad name) that are definitely, provably, obviously, causing more of the bad behavior that we're trying to criticize. I live in a very "purple" area and even though I am "blue" I get along with "red" people easily by, I dunno, not calling them "deplorables" when they say something that offends me. It's up to each of…

I understand your feedback, and I generally try to be level headed in these matters, but I simply think that it's a losing battle.

Playing the victim is a competitive sport online, suffice to see the outrage caused by "literally whos" who post some silly extreme take on some social network. It then gets posted and reposted everywhere to rile the troups.

My point is, if a nobody like myself calling a bunch of people "losers" online is enough to motive some of these people to change their behaviours, IMO they were just looking for an excuse to do so. In truth in my experience they're not arguing that in good faith, they're just cherry picking in order to "both-sides" the issue.

I think it's a waste of energy to try to build bridges with these types of people, they're not interesting in honest debate, they just espouse the form of a civil debate in order to bog you down. So I just explicitly reject them without engaging, if you're the type of person who likes to spread disinformation like the one discussed in TFA then you're a loser in my book and I move on with my life.

Note that I'm not singling any particular faction here, while I do think that the right wing is definitely employing these tactics at a much greater scale, the left is definitely not above them either. It's standard internet discussion tactics, unfortunately.

I cherish HN because it's one of the only relatively mainstream online forums I know of where these types of discussions don't turn completely one-sided. It's far from perfect but places like reddit, facebook, twitter or 4chan are effectively lost to civil discourse as far as I'm concerned.

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