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Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by Retric »

read_if_gay_ wrote: post #101
sanj wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN is a place for data: https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/27/1/71.abstract Men pose higher per-km risk to others than women for all modes except buses, as well as being over-represented among users of the most dangerous vehicles. (From abstract)

Intuitively, it seems correct that in aggregate, women kill less people on the road. From personal experience, most people can drive well enough regardless of who or what they are, but if someone's driving extremely riskily then it's almost always youngish males. But also, if someone's exceptionally incompetent then it's usually old people or women. The distribution skews at the extremes and that's where the common p…

Very rarely do you see the gender of someone driving incompetently. So, most of this ‘personal experience’ is simply conjecture which can self reinforce.

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Post by delecti »

implements wrote: post #97
pmorici wrote: post #88

This story itself seems to be perpetuating a small false hood by captioning the leading photo as, “Egypt’s first female ship’s captain”. If you read the article it then says she was the first female to be accepted to Egypt’s merchant navy school and in the second to last sentence says she is currently the rank of fist mate though will be a Captain soon if she passes her exam. She is also clearly wearing the rank of f…

It’s possible she has a Masters Ticket (ie is qualified to Captain a vessel) while working as First / Chief Mate - it’s quite common as it would allow her to take command in an emergency if the Captain was incapacitated.

It's possible to be a First Mate without that credential? I'll readily admit to being extremely ignorant about shipping, but I always imagined the position being akin to the US Vice President, in that part of the job description is to take over from the captain as necessary.

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by renewiltord »

read_if_gay_ wrote: post #101
sanj wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN is a place for data: https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/27/1/71.abstract Men pose higher per-km risk to others than women for all modes except buses, as well as being over-represented among users of the most dangerous vehicles. (From abstract)

Intuitively, it seems correct that in aggregate, women kill less people on the road. From personal experience, most people can drive well enough regardless of who or what they are, but if someone's driving extremely riskily then it's almost always youngish males. But also, if someone's exceptionally incompetent then it's usually old people or women. The distribution skews at the extremes and that's where the common p…

This transparently looks like those hypothesis adjustments that are made to fit the data, epicycle style.

On reddit, this style of hypothesis adjustment was common about weed until it was legalized.

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by pmorici »

neogodless wrote: post #98
pmorici wrote: post #88

This story itself seems to be perpetuating a small false hood by captioning the leading photo as, “Egypt’s first female ship’s captain”. If you read the article it then says she was the first female to be accepted to Egypt’s merchant navy school and in the second to last sentence says she is currently the rank of fist mate though will be a Captain soon if she passes her exam. She is also clearly wearing the rank of f…

> and captained the Aida IV when it became the first vessel to navigate the newly-expanded Suez Canal in 2015. At the time, she was the youngest and first female Egyptian captain to cross the waterway. It's a bit confusing. From another linked article[0] > “One has to spend many years at sea, studying and taking exams before reaching this level. > I graduated in 2013 and got an MBA, then I was promoted from second of…

I’d guess it is a poor translation of Arabic. ربان Can be translated to “captain” but it means the person piloting the ship which is part of the duties of the first mate when the captain isn’t at the helm. Saying that she piloted the ship through the canal would be consistent with the rest of the facts presented.

The point is that the antidote to distasteful fake news isn’t good intentioned fake news it’s factual news. So wether this error was unintended or driven by their own biases to write an overwhelmingly positive story to counter the false one it manages to perpetuate the problem.

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by renewiltord »

wunderflix wrote: post #89
narag wrote: post #77

I have no doubt that she would be able to block it if she wanted to. She must have a very strong determination to get where she is. My cousin is a quantity surveyor. Her mother wanted her to be a nurse and made a huge drama over what would she do all day discussing with construction workers, but there she is, also rising two children.

I remember a Ted talk saying that China grew much faster than India not because of any infrastructure advantage they had. But because of stronger role women play in the work force. https://www.ted.com/talks/yasheng_huang_does_democracy_stifl...

There was something I read once about the Arab world failing to use 50% of its workforce efficiently being a reason for slower development. An interesting hypothesis for sure.

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by renewiltord »

oytis wrote: post #4

That's pretty bad, but who was the real captain? It's the first time I see total silence about the crew in official sources. At least it is mentioned in some reputable sources (e.g. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2021/04/01/suez-can... ) that the crew was Indian, but still not a single name.

Perhaps they're practicing blameless post mortems.

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Post by em-bee »

allendoerfer wrote: post #104
creata wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least in your first example, yes, it is a sign that men are far behind when it comes to being trusted with children. But that's not really relevant to the ship story.

They might be, but that‘s not the reason why there are less male teachers. It is not harder to become a teacher, when you are male. They are just less interested in becoming one (on average). As are women to drive container ships. Although I don’t think that there is just one woman, who wants to do it.

it is the reason in new zealand. there it is practically impossible for men to become teachers at least in kindergarten and primary school because parents don't trust them. sad really because kids need rolemodels from both genders

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by cycomanic »

qrbLPHiKpiux wrote: post #61
moron4hire wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

She wasn't even on the Ever Given when it grounded. She was commanding a different ship.

Can we agree the media is a problem wedging us further apart? Race. Gender.

Have you read the article "the media" had nothing to do with it, it was people with an agenda creating a story on social media that went viral.

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by read_if_gay_ »

Retric wrote: post #111
read_if_gay_ wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intuitively, it seems correct that in aggregate, women kill less people on the road. From personal experience, most people can drive well enough regardless of who or what they are, but if someone's driving extremely riskily then it's almost always youngish males. But also, if someone's exceptionally incompetent then it's usually old people or women. The distribution skews at the extremes and that's where the common p…

Very rarely do you see the gender of someone driving incompetently. So, most of this ‘personal experience’ is simply conjecture which can self reinforce.

You don’t know how often I see the face of someone driving. Why make such assumptions?
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