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Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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She wasn't even on the Ever Given when it grounded. She was commanding a different ship.

Can we agree the media is a problem wedging us further apart? Race. Gender.

Or you're just uncomfortable confronting your own biases so you wish they'd go away?

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Same in the west, although not to the same extent

Men in China have less rights than women in America. At some point, it becomes shortsighted to lose sight of where we are.

Jumping to a completely different edge in the graph of human relationships seems like a poor way to get through anything, be it a conversation or an actual social challenge.

Networks are local. Speaking and making negating cases based on far-away, low-connectivity areas makes little sense and serves no one except those favouring inaction or an abundance of caution (for whatever reasons).

Anyhow, I'm saying the above respectfully. Not attacking you as a person, but your way of seeking perspective i feel quite opposed to. I'm content to be in amicable disagreement though, and have no sense that you're compelled to agree with me

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I agree, and we should be encouraging women into men-dominated fields across the board, starting with the ultra dangerous jobs like "deep sea welder" and "lumberjack". We shouldn't stop until women are subjected to the same risk of death on jobs as men are. [1] [1] https://www.smh.com.au/opinion/how-to-die-at-work-be-male-20...

The irony when people use these "gotchas" whenever anyone talks about women entering jobs they've been previously denied or actively removed from (e.g. programming?) is that you're literally complaining about the same thing as feminists, just from the other end. Yes, we should encourage women to take on ultra dangerous[0] jobs they're underrepresented in. We should also stop thinking the problem is a lack of encourag…

This is a very important and well written comment. I wish more people understood that feminist theory is just as concerned with many supposed "gotchas" i.e. men in nursing as it is with women in STEM

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This story itself seems to be perpetuating a small false hood by captioning the leading photo as, “Egypt’s first female ship’s captain”. If you read the article it then says she was the first female to be accepted to Egypt’s merchant navy school and in the second to last sentence says she is currently the rank of fist mate though will be a Captain soon if she passes her exam. She is also clearly wearing the rank of f…

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Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Can we agree the media is a problem wedging us further apart? Race. Gender.

What/who is "the media"? I see this pattern where you define a class so broad any proposition becomes a truism, and productive discussion becomes impossible.

The media are a trusted class of society who are afforded a blanket level of respect based on their role in society.

The media have started to act in the best interest of their clan vs society as a whole. The Media has fragmented and serves their niches but not society as a whole.

So talking about the media as a whole is possible without having to identify tribes within.

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Maybe she floated the fake story?

Comments like this are one of the reason's females have such a tough time breaking into male dominated industries.

Hmmm...I was thinking the opposite. This publicity is going to end in a major win for her.

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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This story itself seems to be perpetuating a small false hood by captioning the leading photo as, “Egypt’s first female ship’s captain”. If you read the article it then says she was the first female to be accepted to Egypt’s merchant navy school and in the second to last sentence says she is currently the rank of fist mate though will be a Captain soon if she passes her exam. She is also clearly wearing the rank of f…

It’s possible she has a Masters Ticket (ie is qualified to Captain a vessel) while working as First / Chief Mate - it’s quite common as it would allow her to take command in an emergency if the Captain was incapacitated.

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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This story itself seems to be perpetuating a small false hood by captioning the leading photo as, “Egypt’s first female ship’s captain”. If you read the article it then says she was the first female to be accepted to Egypt’s merchant navy school and in the second to last sentence says she is currently the rank of fist mate though will be a Captain soon if she passes her exam. She is also clearly wearing the rank of f…

> and captained the Aida IV when it became the first vessel to navigate the newly-expanded Suez Canal in 2015. At the time, she was the youngest and first female Egyptian captain to cross the waterway.

It's a bit confusing. From another linked article[0]

> “One has to spend many years at sea, studying and taking exams before reaching this level.

> I graduated in 2013 and got an MBA, then I was promoted from second officer to first officer, and now I am a captain,” she added.

Still, I think this is... minutiae compared to the larger issue of smear campaign targeting oppressed classes of people. Perhaps she can be acting captain before getting the official rank?

[0] https://www.arabnews.com/node/1833276/media

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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In the age of online mobs it's probably very commendable for the news outlets not to throw anybody to the lions, especially since in this case the responsibility seems difficult to establish. Is it the fault of the captain? The Egyptian pilot? Some technician that caused directly or indirectly a blackout on the ship? The Egyptian authorities who authorized the ship to cross during bad weather? Etc... It's a very good…

> armies of losers Referring to "them" like this is partially what feeds them. If you are interested.

Again, I don't care to find them excuses. "Somebody called me a loser so I decided to spew bullshit online" is what losers do.

I'd much rather empathize with this captain who was targeted solely because she's a woman. That seems like a much better use of my time than caring about keyboard warriors on twitter or 4chan.

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