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Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by detaro »

croutonwagon wrote: post #10
capableweb wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably they want to wait to announce anyone "responsible" as they haven't quite figured out what really happened and who really was responsible. So before letting media guess who it was (and then Twitter or whatever else shittyverse to make everything even worse), they wanna make sure any claims are correct.

Don’t the operators of the Suez require their own capitans, familiar with the channel, to board a vessel and navigate the channel. Similar to Harbor capitans/Harbormasters. I think even on this site there was a link documenting the crazy amount of bribery needed to easily transit.

You have to bring pilots on board, and their performance will surely be part of the investigation, but fundamentally the ship is still run by its captain and crew.

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by dathinab »

oytis wrote: post #4

That's pretty bad, but who was the real captain? It's the first time I see total silence about the crew in official sources. At least it is mentioned in some reputable sources (e.g. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2021/04/01/suez-can... ) that the crew was Indian, but still not a single name.

It's not mentioned because it likely doesn't matter and is rather complicated as:

- Ships large navigating the canal normally do so through pilots specialized in it provided by whoever operates the canal. And while the captain still is in control he/she delegates the control to this pilots under his/here supervision (as they are still responsible for the ship I think). So even if the captain is responsible he/she wasn't "really" navigating the ship...

- There was a unusual large sand storm, it is possible that things had been 100% outside of the control of anyone navigating the ship. Just consider a causality chain like sand-storm => engine failure(cause by it) => wind drives ship onto shore before restart of engines is possible.

So it's completely pointless to name anyone human involved until the actual causality chain is properly investigates.

A thing which tbh. should be done much more in other cases, too.

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by creata »

yostrovs wrote: post #19
supergirl wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it would be funny if it wasn't sad that women are so far behind that a woman ship captain is news.

If lack of female ship captains is a sign that women are far behind, is lack of male school teachers, nurses, and HR professionals a sign that men are far behind?

At least in your first example, yes, it is a sign that men are far behind when it comes to being trusted with children. But that's not really relevant to the ship story.

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by detaro »

oytis wrote: post #4

That's pretty bad, but who was the real captain? It's the first time I see total silence about the crew in official sources. At least it is mentioned in some reputable sources (e.g. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2021/04/01/suez-can... ) that the crew was Indian, but still not a single name.

Honest question: Why would that be relevant right now? Nobody outside knows what exactly happened, so what value does the name of a guy we never heard of give the public, except fodder for speculations and blaming people based on nothing?

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by 0xy »

I agree, and we should be encouraging women into men-dominated fields across the board, starting with the ultra dangerous jobs like "deep sea welder" and "lumberjack".

We shouldn't stop until women are subjected to the same risk of death on jobs as men are. [1]

[1] https://www.smh.com.au/opinion/how-to-die-at-work-be-male-20...

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by hnbad »

supergirl wrote: post #13
capableweb wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, is just a "fun" joke that ties into stereotypes. "Haha, told you women couldn't drive, look at this one stopping global trade" and then it spirals out of control. Not sure we can or should read too much into it.

it would be funny if it wasn't sad that women are so far behind that a woman ship captain is news.

The news story is literally that she's the _first_ female captain, so it's safe to say that there are probably a lot of deeply entrenched prejudices against women in those roles.

Jokes are (almost?) always political because it only works if you share similar views about what the world is like and how it should be. In this case the joke is that women are unfit to be captain, the setup is that "they" eventually "let" a woman be captain and the punchline is that she went on to cause one of the most economically disastrous incidents in recent history (ba-dum-tiss). If you don't think women are unfit to be captain (or at least "intrinsically less fit" or whatever) the punchline doesn't work.

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by why_Mr_Anderson »

supergirl wrote: post #13
capableweb wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, is just a "fun" joke that ties into stereotypes. "Haha, told you women couldn't drive, look at this one stopping global trade" and then it spirals out of control. Not sure we can or should read too much into it.

it would be funny if it wasn't sad that women are so far behind that a woman ship captain is news.

Do you really extrapolate that women are 'far behind' from the fact there are few female ship captains? What about coal miners or steel workers or construction crews then?

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Post by kristianc »

yostrovs wrote: post #19
supergirl wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it would be funny if it wasn't sad that women are so far behind that a woman ship captain is news.

If lack of female ship captains is a sign that women are far behind, is lack of male school teachers, nurses, and HR professionals a sign that men are far behind?

No, because a cargo ship captain typically makes between $150k-$200k a year.

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by spacemanmatt »

yostrovs wrote: post #19
supergirl wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it would be funny if it wasn't sad that women are so far behind that a woman ship captain is news.

If lack of female ship captains is a sign that women are far behind, is lack of male school teachers, nurses, and HR professionals a sign that men are far behind?

Can't even take this seriously
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