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The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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Here is the actual (archived) Euromyths website: https://wayback.archive-it.org/11980/20191004103218/https://... It appears the EC has deleted it since debunking myths in the British press has become rather pointless post-brexit.

I'm hoping for a bit of a swing back. If not rejoining, perhaps being able to ship a lump of cheese to the EU without a £200 health certificate.

That seems unlikely to me. I voted remain, but it's a done deal and the EU vaccine situation makes Johnson look good. In spite of everything, Johnson still polls way ahead of Starmer. Unless he does something disastrous (alway a possibility), the Tories will win the next general election. It'll be a decade at least before rejoining is even a remote possibility.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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The EU is evil because it protects children :facepalm: * Playgrounds, safety – EU safety directives to ban playgrounds, trapeze artists and bagpipes, Aug 2005 * Playgrounds, safety – Safety rules force the closure of UK playgrounds, Oct 2003 * Playgrounds, safety, speed limits – Speed limits to be enforced on children’s roundabouts, Oct 2004 * Playgrounds, safety, swings – A village has to remove its swings due to sa…

it's not exactly "it protect children", but "protect them in the same way accros the union" So that when people travel they have the same safety than at home.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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The differences here are over values not facts.

Specific examples aside, the EU buys into the idea that you can harmonize society with the right laws. The Brits were never going to be okay with that. It's a continental idea and inimical to common law. This is a country where they don't have ids. They passed a law to create ids but then it was repealed and the ids were destroyed. You can read Notes from a Small Island for more about this specifically British attitude. Or Orwell: https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwel...

Anyway, there are good reasons for not being in the EU. Low voter turnout. Austerity policies (Boris Johnson is part of the conservative movement to the left on economics). The disastrous decision to share a currency (which plenty of economists warned against).

But the main reason the EU is going to atrophy over the next 50 years is that European identity is illusory. It's something for well-off cosmopolites. That doesn't make it wrong but most people in these countries are not a part of it, though they might go along when times are good. Moreover, as Hobbes put it, "covenants without swords are but words". Countries are about shared land, shared borders, and a shared duty to defend that land. The kind of people who feel European identity (or consider themselves "citizens of the world") are uncomfortable with this bloody-mindedness (and not for no reason). But nations are martial compacts and, for all of our discomfort with that, they are the best way we have of ensuring rights. The UN and EU have proven ineffective at that. In a crisis (like covid) Europeans will act singly as countries or not at all.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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The TV show "Yes, Minister" was a truly amazing show because of the brilliant writing, and how humorously it could speak the truth: Sir Humphrey Appleby: The Foreign Office is pro-Europe because it’s really anti-Europe. The civil service was united in its desire to make sure that the Common Market didn’t work. That’s why we went into it. Britain has had the same foreign policy objective for at least 500 years: to cre…

There’s also a book based on the show, which is roughly one chapter per episode. I found it enlightening, honestly. It’s like a set of fables about bureaucracy. They’re not true stories, but they highlight patterns and tendencies that crop up all the time.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might be a legit complaint, but one that has nothing to do with the EU. The EU simply doesn't make safety standards for playgrounds.

You'd be surprised... https://www.cen.eu/news/brochures/brochures/CEN-CLC_Child-Sa...

That's CEN, not EU

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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>Broadband speeds, red tape – EU red tape force down broadband speeds, May 2016 I know all of these are nonsense, but this one is particularly funny to me. In London I was limited to 80mbps copper cable, but since moving to a European city I now have gigabit fibre for around the same price (and 10 gigabit is available too for a small extra.)

Just depends where you live. Plenty of gigabit connections in London.

London average fibre availability is 21%, sure that's better than nothing but I'm not sure I could say 1 in 5 is "plenty", especially compared to cities with >99% coverage.

There's no reason for London's poor coverage rates except deliberate telecoms underfunding. London should also have >99% coverage by now, but instead we play catch up in the post-covid world while available bandwidth for many residents can not adequately sustain a family working from home and distance learning.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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> While fiber is slowing being deployed there are still voices that oppose it because it's "too expensive". Former trench digger as a sub for the Telekom here. It is extremely expensive to build out fibre trenches - rural areas simply because of the vast distances and the comparatively few users and urban areas because the underground area is filled meaning you can't use excavators below 20cm depth and have to do eve…

> Former trench digger as a sub for the Telekom here. It is extremely expensive to build out fibre trenches - rural areas simply because of the vast distances and the comparatively few users and urban areas because the underground area is filled meaning you can't use excavators below 20cm depth and have to do everything by hand. If Romania can do it, with much of the same restrictions in place, but a lot less money a…

Romanian wages are way lower, easy as that. And they get lots of EU subsidies too.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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There is nothing authoritarian about dispelling myths. These were not about opinions, they concerned literally false claims about EU directives and regulations.

Selectively taking incorrect statements from one side is a way of technically being truthful while pushing one sided information, i.e. it's propaganda.

"The website, which offers officials in Brussels a chance to rebut media accusations of meddling, features hundreds of reports that are based on inaccurate or misleading information."

So it was made for officials to rebut lies printed in the media about the EU.

I take it that you don't mind "journalists" printing lies as long as they're lies that support your point of view?

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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Of course. I assume there are concerned citizens in the EU can do this. Why does the government need to get involved in this?

You're being silly. To take an extreme scenario, if the KGB is financing entities spouting non-sense in various publications, you expect the US/CIA to just take it lying down? :-) It's part of intelligence/counter-intelligence, you have to control the narrative because the average citizen isn't well informed enough and will just end up believing what the other party tells them... because they're the only ones saying…

So the Brexit to EU is like KGB to US? Why do you want to keep UK inside EU then?

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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> While fiber is slowing being deployed there are still voices that oppose it because it's "too expensive". Former trench digger as a sub for the Telekom here. It is extremely expensive to build out fibre trenches - rural areas simply because of the vast distances and the comparatively few users and urban areas because the underground area is filled meaning you can't use excavators below 20cm depth and have to do eve…

The question is: is it more expensive than getting lapped by other countries because the industry cannot keep up in regards to digitalization (also known under the marketing phrase "industry 4.0")? It's incredibly sad to still have to look up how internet connectivity is going to be when you move. In a high-tech nation as Germany, I should be able to expect a fast internet connection in every house to be able to work…

> The question is: is it more expensive than getting lapped by other countries because the industry cannot keep up in regards to digitalization?

Of course it is but Conservatives lack the ability (or the will, given their party donors) to think of the future. "Wer Visionen hat soll zum Arzt gehen"...

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