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Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by zthrowaway »

throwaway3699 wrote: post #51
kristianc wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course not. No one should be ‘thrust’ into any roles, but if women want to do them they should have equal opportunity. And clearly there is some issue of implicit bias, otherwise we wouldn’t be having this discussion in the first place.

Then what is the solution? Because as far as I can tell, unless you force people to be 50/50 in a profession, it will be basically impossible to get rid of the implicit bias people have in those jobs. And I'd be willing to bet that applies to other immutable characteristics, not just gender.

Exactly, it’s impossible. This so happens to be politically beneficial to people who want to weaponize it.

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by criley2 »

midasuni wrote: post #64
runawaybottle wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the Arab world, they are not joking around about looking at women as second class.

Same in the west, although not to the same extent

Men in China have less rights than women in America. At some point, it becomes shortsighted to lose sight of where we are.

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capableweb wrote: post #6
hnbad wrote: post #3

Well, that was probably predictable. If the news coverage of her being the "first female ship's captain" happened near the same time as the Suez Canal incident, those two stories can easily be conflated into a "told you so" narrative to justify condescension towards women aspiring to be ship's captains. It doesn't matter whether the correlation is real because the narrative feeds into existing stereotypes and anyone…

Or, is just a "fun" joke that ties into stereotypes. "Haha, told you women couldn't drive, look at this one stopping global trade" and then it spirals out of control. Not sure we can or should read too much into it.

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Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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1cvmask wrote: post #45
hnbad wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you remember when a subreddit managed to frame someone innocent for the Boston marathon bombing? This kind of thing happens regardless of whether the media correctly identifies the person(s) responsible, especially if the scapegoat people run with fits into preexisting prejudices (e.g. nobody in the country questioned it when the German police blamed the murders of Turkish minority business owners on "probably the…

While you are being downvoted for exposing the obviouness of the subreddits accusing others (something I have no issue with).... But the real guilty parties are the mainstream media when they let storytelling enter their coverage like what we had when white Tim Mcveigh did the Oklahoma bombing and all the large media outlets like CNN, NY Times framed muslims for that. We saw the similar coverage of the German pilot w…

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Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by thinkingemote »

detaro wrote: post #25
oytis wrote: post #4

That's pretty bad, but who was the real captain? It's the first time I see total silence about the crew in official sources. At least it is mentioned in some reputable sources (e.g. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2021/04/01/suez-can... ) that the crew was Indian, but still not a single name.

Honest question: Why would that be relevant right now? Nobody outside knows what exactly happened, so what value does the name of a guy we never heard of give the public, except fodder for speculations and blaming people based on nothing?

It's easy to argue that in the vast majority of news the identity of the accused is similarly not needed.

However the reality we see is that the News doesn't think so. So what, in this case, is different?

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Post by narag »

I have no doubt that she would be able to block it if she wanted to. She must have a very strong determination to get where she is.

My cousin is a quantity surveyor. Her mother wanted her to be a nurse and made a huge drama over what would she do all day discussing with construction workers, but there she is, also rising two children.

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Post by Pyramus »

qrbLPHiKpiux wrote: post #61
moron4hire wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

She wasn't even on the Ever Given when it grounded. She was commanding a different ship.

Can we agree the media is a problem wedging us further apart? Race. Gender.

What/who is "the media"?

I see this pattern where you define a class so broad any proposition becomes a truism, and productive discussion becomes impossible.

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Post by [deleted] »

detaro wrote: post #25
oytis wrote: post #4

That's pretty bad, but who was the real captain? It's the first time I see total silence about the crew in official sources. At least it is mentioned in some reputable sources (e.g. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2021/04/01/suez-can... ) that the crew was Indian, but still not a single name.

Honest question: Why would that be relevant right now? Nobody outside knows what exactly happened, so what value does the name of a guy we never heard of give the public, except fodder for speculations and blaming people based on nothing?

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Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by kristianc »

throwaway3699 wrote: post #51
kristianc wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course not. No one should be ‘thrust’ into any roles, but if women want to do them they should have equal opportunity. And clearly there is some issue of implicit bias, otherwise we wouldn’t be having this discussion in the first place.

Then what is the solution? Because as far as I can tell, unless you force people to be 50/50 in a profession, it will be basically impossible to get rid of the implicit bias people have in those jobs. And I'd be willing to bet that applies to other immutable characteristics, not just gender.

People working in those sectors themselves acknowledge there is implicit bias. And the difference remains even when you control for dangerous work (I.e looking at people who only work desk jobs).

You may never get to 50;50 but there is no reason for the disparity to be as large as it is - any more than women (or any any other immutable characteristic) don’t self select not to be CEOs or similar.

And articles like this tell you you don’t have to look too far to find out what the real reason is.

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