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Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Or, is just a "fun" joke that ties into stereotypes. "Haha, told you women couldn't drive, look at this one stopping global trade" and then it spirals out of control. Not sure we can or should read too much into it.

She wasn't even on the Ever Given when it grounded. She was commanding a different ship.

Can we agree the media is a problem wedging us further apart?

Race. Gender.

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HN is a place for data: https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/27/1/71.abstract Men pose higher per-km risk to others than women for all modes except buses, as well as being over-represented among users of the most dangerous vehicles. (From abstract)

I assume that might be because data collected historically shows men to be overwhemingly the one driving. So this correlation is dumb

Men cannot be the ones overhelmingly driving per km. That normalizes it.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN is a place for data: https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/27/1/71.abstract Men pose higher per-km risk to others than women for all modes except buses, as well as being over-represented among users of the most dangerous vehicles. (From abstract)

I assume that might be because data collected historically shows men to be overwhemingly the one driving. So this correlation is dumb

Your inability to understand “per-km” is the only thing that’s “dumb”

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, is just a "fun" joke that ties into stereotypes. "Haha, told you women couldn't drive, look at this one stopping global trade" and then it spirals out of control. Not sure we can or should read too much into it.

In the Arab world, they are not joking around about looking at women as second class.

Same in the west, although not to the same extent

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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She wasn't even on the Ever Given when it grounded. She was commanding a different ship.

Can we agree the media is a problem wedging us further apart? Race. Gender.

More like the drive for eye balls, klicks and ad revenue. But overall, at least part of

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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This happened because this time[0] the Media - strangely - kept the responsibles anonymous. This feeds conspiracy theories. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesco_Schettino

In the age of online mobs it's probably very commendable for the news outlets not to throw anybody to the lions, especially since in this case the responsibility seems difficult to establish. Is it the fault of the captain? The Egyptian pilot? Some technician that caused directly or indirectly a blackout on the ship? The Egyptian authorities who authorized the ship to cross during bad weather? Etc...

It's a very good thing that the media was more cautious IMO. And conspiracy theories don't need anybody feeding them, you have armies of losers online doing nothing but making that stuff up 24/7.

I don't think there's anything "strange" going on (a rather conspiratorial wording in and of itself IMO), it's just that it's very hard to place the blame with the information currently available, especially since all the first party sources have a very strong incentive to push a certain narrative.

The Costa Concordia on the other hand was much more clear cut and you had the extremely embarrassing recording of the coast guard telling the captain to return to the ship and him cowardly refusing to do so. There's no such thing here as far as I know.

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That's pretty bad, but who was the real captain? It's the first time I see total silence about the crew in official sources. At least it is mentioned in some reputable sources (e.g. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2021/04/01/suez-can... ) that the crew was Indian, but still not a single name.

It's not mentioned because it likely doesn't matter and is rather complicated as: - Ships large navigating the canal normally do so through pilots specialized in it provided by whoever operates the canal. And while the captain still is in control he/she delegates the control to this pilots under his/here supervision (as they are still responsible for the ship I think). So even if the captain is responsible he/she was…

No other ships were impacted by the storm. If the captain was a European or American national he'd be all over the news. His identity is newsworthy. My guess is that the Western media is having trouble confirming the identity of the captain and/or finding any details of his identity.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN is a place for data: https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/27/1/71.abstract Men pose higher per-km risk to others than women for all modes except buses, as well as being over-represented among users of the most dangerous vehicles. (From abstract)

I assume that might be because data collected historically shows men to be overwhemingly the one driving. So this correlation is dumb

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Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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She wasn't even on the Ever Given when it grounded. She was commanding a different ship.

Can we agree the media is a problem wedging us further apart? Race. Gender.

An alternative interpretation is that the media is a reflection of society. If people weren't looking for bullshit articles to click on (actually, not even click on, they usually end up just resharing the article on social media for the headline) to artificially confirm their biases, then the media wouldn't be making bank on this strategy.

Also, the media does not exist outside of society. The media sucks because our culture in general sucks.

Same thing with politicians. We don't get shitty politicians out of nowhere. They come from the people, they optimize for what people want, and people vote for them.

It can be tempting for others to try to call this an example of the Prisoner's Dillema, but the Prisoner's Dillema doesn't apply because there isn't even a marginal upside to "defecting" when your counterpart "defects". We're personally better off when we choose to not participate in this stuff, regardless of what other people do, and we're all more better off as more people choose to not participate.

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