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Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by oger »

guscost wrote: post #87
jaybrendansmith wrote: post #43

Long Covid is real. I had a mild case back in August, but it took around 5 months to feel 'normal' again. Lots of inexplicable things: Minor heart palpitations, feeling of 'heaviness' behind my breastbone. When I exercised, even moderately like running a half mile, I would feel strangely exhausted for many hours later. All of this has gone away now, but I can easily see how someone who is hospitalized could have a re…

This may be unpopular to say, but anxiety could have caused some or all of these symptoms.

You don't die from anxiety.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by LeCow »

timr wrote: post #102
bserge wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll just add my own experience. I had almost no symptoms, no cough, no taste loss, not even sniffles. Likely infection date 15th of February. PCR test on the 24th of February. No symptoms at that point. 2 days later, I started feeling more tired than usual. The next day I had a mild fever and was sweating more than usual when exercising. This lasted 3 days, after which I only felt the fatigue for another 5 days. No…

I now personally know over a dozen people (ranging from mid-20s up through upper 40s) who have had Covid-19. All had minor illness and are now fine. Which is not to say that others do not have lingering symptoms -- but if we're going to emphasize scary anecdotes, it seems like we should spend proportional time reporting the vastly larger number of anecdotes that are not scary, as well?

I had it based of an anti-bodies test. 0 symptoms absolutely fine...like 99% of everyone.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by benjaminwootton »

mjfl wrote: post #44

There needs to be some kind of analysis to determine whether they have causality flipped- do they have these long term health problems because of severe COVID or did they get severe COVID due to these long term health problems?

Or are they both getting seriously ill with Covid and long term health problems because they are typically aged 70+ with comorbidities

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by kian »

sithadmin wrote: post #122
stretchwithme wrote: post #92

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I had persistent lung congestion for weeks. I did some research online and found this thing called a salt inhaler. That cleared it up in a couple of days. Salt has a way of pulling infections out of tissues.

I'm not a physician, but intentionally inhaling salt particles into the respiratory tract to 'pull infections out of tissues' strikes me as an extremely bad idea.

Saline solutions dissolve mucous.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by godmode2019 »

In my opinion the 'long covid' was a line thrust into the spotlight from the media to justify continued restrictions.

Person A: 'We should open up' Person B: 'Have you not heard most people have serious health problems after covid?'

When we talk about proportional reporting I think of the book 'Thinking fast and slow'.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by mlyle »

watwut wrote: post #125
mlyle wrote: post #29

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He said: "Not to say there aren't a lot of people with clear-cut long covid syndromes." But, also, you'll find people with long COVID who are finally paying attention to other symptoms and ascribing them to the C-19 infection.

The long haulers I know have long symptoms that would be impossible to ignore previously too. The doctors won't care about tiny symptoms either.

Some of the things that cause concern are studies finding depression, fatigue, brain fog, etc.

But if you screened any population of lower health you'd find a fair number of instances of these... and historical baselines are probably not valid because we've had a weird year. So-- the exact incidence of some of the milder end of long COVID is hard to pin down.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by morsch »

incrudible wrote: post #128
morsch wrote: post #90

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Maybe I'm understanding you wrong, but diabetes is a well-known risk factor for COVID-19. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precaut... https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landia/article/PIIS2213-8...

It is, my point is that the study presents it as an outcome of COVID-19, next to outcomes like "death" and "re-hospitalizations".

I can see how you could read it that way, but I think they're just confirming the increased rates of covid with the three named pre-existing conditions. It never occured to me to understand it otherwise when I read it first.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by systemvoltage »

AshWolfy wrote: post #112
skipwalker wrote: post #75

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I'm sorry but I think this is hogwash. The idea that America could function for 6 weeks in a lockdown to the level described to actually stop the transmission, by the time transmission started, is not plausible to me, and I imagine many others. This would have entailed no one working at grocery stores, no deliveries, no travel, no global trade. I just don't buy that this was ever plausible for however long people sug…

We love to say something isnt possible, while other countries do what we just said isnt possible.

USA is 330 million people. New Zealand is 1/2 the population of SF Bay Area.

Just because NZ can demonstrate good COVID control, it cannot just apply at a massive nation. China has done it with authoritarian enforcement. There is no solution to this for USA, EU or large countries. Asian nations such as Japan and Korea are culturally different than the west. It’s impossible to change the culture of 330 million overnight.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by systemvoltage »

mdoms wrote: post #73
amscanne wrote: post #72

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Are you saying that an Wuhan-style lockdown would have been a better or even feasible approach? I don't think humans anywhere are able to "pull in the same direction" to the extent that such a lockdown is possible without an authoritarian government. Italy imposed pretty draconian rules for at least six weeks, and has still had to deal with a second wave and additional lockdowns. Personally, I think that the principl…

We did it in New Zealand.

NZ population is 4.9 million people. That’s half the size of SF Bay Area.

How is this a fair comparison?

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by Mediterraneo10 »

mdoms wrote: post #66

The only reason you've had to endure this for over a year is because you never once tried to do it properly. 6 weeks of hard (proper) lockdown followed by sensible plans to manage outbreaks and boom you'd have been done. But no, Americans absolutely refuse to work together, to pull in the same direction, to achieve something.

When people claim that a country should have "done it properly", they usually mean closed borders, that end up having to stay closed for the long haul to prevent COVID from re-entering the country. Personally, I find the long-term risks of closed borders in terms of rekindling nationalist sentiment and eroding international solidarity, to be far more of a threat than COVID.

The pandemic will pass soon, but countries walling themselves off could have consequences that even our grandchildren might have to deal with.

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