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Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by at_a_remove » Fri, Apr 02, 2021, 7:28 PM UTC

mdoms wrote: post #66

The only reason you've had to endure this for over a year is because you never once tried to do it properly. 6 weeks of hard (proper) lockdown followed by sensible plans to manage outbreaks and boom you'd have been done. But no, Americans absolutely refuse to work together, to pull in the same direction, to achieve something.

Similarly, we could defund the police if everyone would just stop doing crime. And think of what we could do with the defense budget if we made some agreements about war!

Any strategy which depends on complete cooperation of a large number of humans for success, well, I would short that stock.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by sithadmin » Fri, Apr 02, 2021, 7:29 PM UTC

stretchwithme wrote: post #92

nonameiguess wrote: post #34

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Just to add to the post-viral syndrome chorus, this happened to me when I was 20. I caught what seemed like a pretty normal flu, but it eventually morphed into bronchitis and then pneumonia because I was an idiot who thought he was immortal and continued going out clubbing and staying out late with friends and it was four months before I finally saw a doctor and took the advice to rest and get blasted with high dose…

I had persistent lung congestion for weeks. I did some research online and found this thing called a salt inhaler. That cleared it up in a couple of days. Salt has a way of pulling infections out of tissues.

I'm not a physician, but intentionally inhaling salt particles into the respiratory tract to 'pull infections out of tissues' strikes me as an extremely bad idea.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by galangalalgol » Fri, Apr 02, 2021, 7:36 PM UTC

noir_lord wrote: post #94

galangalalgol wrote: post #51

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Thanks! I don't loose weight easily, and everyone mentions that, so I don't think that is my problem. My gut does well on a western processed food diet, but that would kill me eventually. Greens and roots lean poultry and fish don't cause me discomfort, but diarrhea is common. I keep hoping I'll just adapt to it, but I think maybe I'm not built for that much fiber.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by kmonsen » Fri, Apr 02, 2021, 7:38 PM UTC

beachy wrote: post #96

skipwalker wrote: post #75

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I'm sorry but I think this is hogwash. The idea that America could function for 6 weeks in a lockdown to the level described to actually stop the transmission, by the time transmission started, is not plausible to me, and I imagine many others. This would have entailed no one working at grocery stores, no deliveries, no travel, no global trade. I just don't buy that this was ever plausible for however long people sug…

I don't like the xenophobic tone of the parent, but you are incorrect. > This would have entailed no one working at grocery stores, no deliveries, no travel, no global trade. I just don't buy that this was ever plausible for however long people suggest: 3 weeks, 6 weeks whatever. The experiences of (at least) New Zealand and Australia are clear evidence it is absolutely possible, without the absurd extremes you are t…

They are islands though, even if large ones. I don't think there are any large connected landmass that has managed to successfully take a New Zealand/Taiwan. Also US has different states with different rules, but no ability to restrict travel between the states. And lots of rural areas that potentially had small covid pocket before it got diagnosed.

I don't like the previous administration one bit, but this was a really hard problem. By the time covid was taken seriously I think it is confirmed it was a least spreading in Seattle and Bay Area.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by watwut » Fri, Apr 02, 2021, 7:38 PM UTC

mlyle wrote: post #29

atoav wrote: post #27

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I know anecdotes are not evidence, but I knwo two personally. Both had covid and no troubles breathing before they had it. Afterwards not so much. I am not a medical professional, but I know these people and how their bodies functioned beforehand. The way they are now is certainly not a hard-to-diagnose chronic syndrome that is unreleated to them catching the damn thing.

He said: "Not to say there aren't a lot of people with clear-cut long covid syndromes." But, also, you'll find people with long COVID who are finally paying attention to other symptoms and ascribing them to the C-19 infection.

The long haulers I know have long symptoms that would be impossible to ignore previously too. The doctors won't care about tiny symptoms either.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by kmonsen » Fri, Apr 02, 2021, 7:39 PM UTC

amluto wrote: post #103

Izkata wrote: post #100

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Both of which still have lockdowns. So no, they couldn't manage it either.

They periodically reimport it. If I had to guess, I would guess that COVID can be transmitted by fomites, especially if kept cold, but that it’s extremely rare. In a place like the US or Europe, this is insignificant: your chance of getting seriously sick due to touching something is negligible, and the rate of additional cases due to this effect is inconsequential for public health. But in AU or NZ, where the backgr…

Although I largely agree with you, they found a case in Norway where the most likely explanation was contact spreading from a person who had worked in that area 2 days prior. I feel there must be another explanation, but they do probably know the facts a lot better than me.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by zamalek » Fri, Apr 02, 2021, 7:40 PM UTC

Tarsul wrote: post #5

what I find to be even more astonishing: "and about one in eight had died", so 1/8 of those who were in hospital for covid AND discharged afterwards, died within 4 months. We also had another article in the guardian that said that 1 million of people in the UK suffer from long covid ("Symptoms vary but include fatigue, muscle pain and difficulty concentrating."): https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/apr/01/long-c…

> the guardian that said that 1 million of people in the UK suffer from long covid

There's varying severities. The 1/8 figure applies only to people who developed long-COVID after being hospitalized for acute COVID (i.e. most likely on a ventilator).

Minor COVID cases can still develop several long-COVID symptoms (the symptoms you pointed out) that aren't life-threatening. This is the long-COVID you generally hear about because surviving a minor or asymptomatic case of COVID isn't the end of your worries, and is why it is beyond idiotic to play fast and loose with the virus.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by incrudible » Fri, Apr 02, 2021, 7:40 PM UTC

morsch wrote: post #90

incrudible wrote: post #40

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"Rates of respiratory disease (P I could imagine COVID being causally implicated in respiratory disease or cardiovascular disease, but diabetes? That sounds to me like the control group wasn't representative.

Maybe I'm understanding you wrong, but diabetes is a well-known risk factor for COVID-19. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precaut... https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landia/article/PIIS2213-8...

It is, my point is that the study presents it as an outcome of COVID-19, next to outcomes like "death" and "re-hospitalizations".

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by bserge » Fri, Apr 02, 2021, 7:40 PM UTC

klyrs wrote: post #120

bserge wrote: post #93

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I'll just add my own experience. I had almost no symptoms, no cough, no taste loss, not even sniffles. Likely infection date 15th of February. PCR test on the 24th of February. No symptoms at that point. 2 days later, I started feeling more tired than usual. The next day I had a mild fever and was sweating more than usual when exercising. This lasted 3 days, after which I only felt the fatigue for another 5 days. No…

So... you weren't hospitalized, and also weren't readmitted to the hospital? What's the purpose of this anecdote?

No purpose, I guess. Just took the opportunity to share my experience.

I am interested in reading about others' experiences, it's just that everything I could find (mostly on Reddit) depicted a much worse picture.

And yet statistics say that the vast majority of people have it easy like me.

I mentioned I would love a database like Erowid, with input from everyone who has had a confirmed infection. I'd read through all of it and make my own conclusions.

I was told to self quarantine and call an ambulance if I felt worse. The hospitals here are overwhelmed just like many other cities/countries.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by ckosidows » Fri, Apr 02, 2021, 7:41 PM UTC

guscost wrote: post #87

jaybrendansmith wrote: post #43

Long Covid is real. I had a mild case back in August, but it took around 5 months to feel 'normal' again. Lots of inexplicable things: Minor heart palpitations, feeling of 'heaviness' behind my breastbone. When I exercised, even moderately like running a half mile, I would feel strangely exhausted for many hours later. All of this has gone away now, but I can easily see how someone who is hospitalized could have a re…

This may be unpopular to say, but anxiety could have caused some or all of these symptoms.

Sounded like anxiety to me. I experience a number of those things on and off again and as far as I can tell they've always been because of anxiety. They can feel serious but it's often just your mind telling you something is wrong when it's not.

Not a doctor. Could be wrong. Just sound like anxiety symptoms from my experience.