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Re: Wet Country Wireless; How British Weather Killed a Billion Pound Tech Company

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My country switched to cable in the 1980s. Its always fascinating to me seeing old pictures where every house has an antenna! Wireless technology can be rolled out quickly while fibreglass networks are a massive and costly undertaking. Neatly putting all infrastructure into the ground is certainly more aesthetically pleasing IMO.

The UK did have a cabled system at the time - this is about moving from cables to wireless, for better bandwidth and lower infrastructure costs. (Obviously it didn't work out.)

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I used to work in that Ionica building (after Ionica left). Like Ionica, the building design was cutting edge but didn’t live up to expectations! The ‘smart’ building used computer controlled cooling towers, vents and a giant block of concrete (as a ‘thermal battery’) to manage the heating and cooling, in place of regular air conditioning. The building ran on an ancient OS/2 desktop computer - I wonder if it is still…

> a giant block of concrete (as a ‘thermal battery’) to manage the heating and cooling

Can you explain how this worked? Or how it was supposed to work? Was it just a literal block of solid concrete? I’m so intrigued and I have so many questions!

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I used to work in that Ionica building (after Ionica left). Like Ionica, the building design was cutting edge but didn’t live up to expectations! The ‘smart’ building used computer controlled cooling towers, vents and a giant block of concrete (as a ‘thermal battery’) to manage the heating and cooling, in place of regular air conditioning. The building ran on an ancient OS/2 desktop computer - I wonder if it is still…

I worked there for a while too! Zeus technology, the subsequent tenant. Very expensive. The ionica sign was still lying in the bushes behind the generator outbuilding. An additional problem with opening the window was the smell from the nearby sewage farm on some days.

I shudder to think what a "sewage farm" is, but I imagine it is something mundane that just happens to have a name that makes Americans think, "why on Earth would you farm sewage?"

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Opening the window would make me happy, even once in awhile. I understand it’s not feasible in most buildings. (The thought of going back to closed up modern building is sickening lately. I know it’s coming for myself though.)

We're in a pandemic and even now people seem to have a hard time opening windows in northern parts of Europe. Really

Durchzug mördet!

Re: Wet Country Wireless; How British Weather Killed a Billion Pound Tech Company

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I used to work in that Ionica building (after Ionica left). Like Ionica, the building design was cutting edge but didn’t live up to expectations! The ‘smart’ building used computer controlled cooling towers, vents and a giant block of concrete (as a ‘thermal battery’) to manage the heating and cooling, in place of regular air conditioning. The building ran on an ancient OS/2 desktop computer - I wonder if it is still…

> a giant block of concrete (as a ‘thermal battery’) to manage the heating and cooling Can you explain how this worked? Or how it was supposed to work? Was it just a literal block of solid concrete? I’m so intrigued and I have so many questions!

Thermal insulators (air) conduct heat poorly. Thermal conductors (metal) transfer hear rapidly, but "hold" onto limited amounts. Thermal batteries (concrete, earth, water, marble) balance heat storage and transference.

Geothermal systems use the ground as a sort of battery- drawing heat in winter, dumping it in summer.

Smart designs will use concrete floors in front of windows to store and release heat from the sun in winter (and rely on overhangs to keep sun out in summer).

Presumably, the concrete foundation (or a really big block) could serve a similar purpose with a hydronic system transferring heat in and out of the block to and from radiators in the rest of the building.

During summer months, run water from the radiators through an evaporative cooling system, to the concrete block, back to radiators. The concrete will cool down when the evaporative system is at peak efficiency, and siphon heat off when it is not.

During winter, instead of going through evaporative cooling, the water could ve pumped through solar heating panels to the same effect- the concrete warms on sunny days, storing excess heat, and bleeds it back to the water on cloudier days.

As you can imagine, the system would be very difficult to get correctly sized for a commercial building, and require backup heating and cooling for anything but temperate weather.

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HVAC solves climate control. By that measuring stick, I have been routinely disappointed by indigenous structures that claim to have solved climate control but should more accurately be described as "somewhat mitigating the worst of it at enormous cost to the builder, maintainer, and/or operator." They have a lot more in common with the poorly functioning "thermal battery" than with modern HVAC, which is boring, chea…

> HVAC solves climate control At a huge energy cost, because we insist on brute-forcing comfortable climates in cookie-cutter buildings, instead of learning from vernacular/indigenous architecture and using modern technology to augment on top of that. The real crying shame is that air conditioning units could be used as heat pumps (which can be extremely efficient) with just a few added parts, but hardly anyone does…

I looked into it, but the added cost isn't really worth the effort where I live. They have such a narrow effective temperature range that it would hardly see any use as such.

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post #8

I used to work in that Ionica building (after Ionica left). Like Ionica, the building design was cutting edge but didn’t live up to expectations! The ‘smart’ building used computer controlled cooling towers, vents and a giant block of concrete (as a ‘thermal battery’) to manage the heating and cooling, in place of regular air conditioning. The building ran on an ancient OS/2 desktop computer - I wonder if it is still…

> Ironically, you could open the windows by your desk to get a cooling fresh breeze of air, but then the building manager would come around and complain that you had to shut the windows, they were disrupting the ‘smart ventilation’ airflow! -At a building I used to work in, management solved that problem by having a contractor bolt all the windows shut so that the ventilation could do its thing. Only problem was, the…

The new Toronto streetcars have AC, replacing the 60s era streetcars.

Now the windows don’t open. Maybe that’s fine for temperature control, but there can be many good reasons to have open windows on public transit.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a giant block of concrete (as a ‘thermal battery’) to manage the heating and cooling Can you explain how this worked? Or how it was supposed to work? Was it just a literal block of solid concrete? I’m so intrigued and I have so many questions!

Thermal insulators (air) conduct heat poorly. Thermal conductors (metal) transfer hear rapidly, but "hold" onto limited amounts. Thermal batteries (concrete, earth, water, marble) balance heat storage and transference. Geothermal systems use the ground as a sort of battery- drawing heat in winter, dumping it in summer. Smart designs will use concrete floors in front of windows to store and release heat from the sun i…

If you've never been in a place intentionally built like this, chances are you've still experienced the effect in the shape of a brick house. Especially in the spring, when the sun is strong but before it's warm, it'll sometimes be enough to cover most or all of overnight heating requirements.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ironically, you could open the windows by your desk to get a cooling fresh breeze of air, but then the building manager would come around and complain that you had to shut the windows, they were disrupting the ‘smart ventilation’ airflow! -At a building I used to work in, management solved that problem by having a contractor bolt all the windows shut so that the ventilation could do its thing. Only problem was, the…

The new Toronto streetcars have AC, replacing the 60s era streetcars. Now the windows don’t open. Maybe that’s fine for temperature control, but there can be many good reasons to have open windows on public transit.

The reason is the city is loud enough and after a hard day of work you don't want to jump on the streetcar to hear the deafening of the city because someone wants the window open.

The other reason is someone will open the window but not close it and when the AC turns on all the cold air just goes out the window.

Re: Wet Country Wireless; How British Weather Killed a Billion Pound Tech Company

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked there for a while too! Zeus technology, the subsequent tenant. Very expensive. The ionica sign was still lying in the bushes behind the generator outbuilding. An additional problem with opening the window was the smell from the nearby sewage farm on some days.

I shudder to think what a "sewage farm" is, but I imagine it is something mundane that just happens to have a name that makes Americans think, "why on Earth would you farm sewage?"

Gotta have a lot of euphemisms for your sewage treatment plant. Apparently they now call it a "water recycling centre"

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ionica/@52.2330937,0.15565...

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