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Re: Every Noise at Once

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Post by ebiester »

MattRix wrote: post #67
svantana wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting that the newest genre on there is trap from 2010. I'm trying to think of newer styles, the only one I can come up with is the so-called "hyperpop" by PC Music, Sophie and 100 gecs. But that's been around since 2012 or so. I'm guessing it's a combination of factors: 1) Playlist culture negates the need for a clear taxonomy of music 2) It takes a few years of hindsight to recognize what is a real genre…

Anyone who thinks that electronic music is “done” should listen to Iglooghost. Most fresh and unique music I’ve heard in a long time. It sounds like it was made by aliens (while still beinhg quite catchy and listenable, IMO).

To my ears, Iglooghost sounds like an extension of hyperpop. Listen to "Super Ink Burst" after "Immaterial" by Sophie.

Re: Every Noise at Once

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Post by nkozyra »

svantana wrote: post #46
samatman wrote: post #26

This means I have to pitch Ishkur's Guide to Electronic Music. https://music.ishkur.com Recently updated, it's a comprehensive history and map of electronic music. It's been around since 2000, played a big role in my life. Highly recommended.

It's interesting that the newest genre on there is trap from 2010. I'm trying to think of newer styles, the only one I can come up with is the so-called "hyperpop" by PC Music, Sophie and 100 gecs. But that's been around since 2012 or so. I'm guessing it's a combination of factors: 1) Playlist culture negates the need for a clear taxonomy of music 2) It takes a few years of hindsight to recognize what is a real genre…

It's not up to date by any measure. There are new electronic genres popping up yearly, and usually it's the opposite of what you describe. Usually one artist does something new, quickly gets labeled and then the copycats start up. It's almost a branding exercise. Genres come and go as you say, and technically most genres are "hype" as they tend to last only briefly. There's nothing unique or new about that.

I don't understand point 3 and how that relates to electronic music specifically. There's a technically-infinite but practically-shallow set of pop music configurations and, yes, most have been done. What differentiates similar songs is composition, timbre, tempo, instrumentation choice, etc. In that regard electronic music has a wider palette to work with.

Re: Every Noise at Once

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Post by robbiemitchell »

This site was such an eye opener for me when I found it a couple years ago. I had always wondered about this weird genre of electronic music I liked to listen to when working and create in my spare time, and it turns out to be called "Wave".

Re: Every Noise at Once

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Post by mbo »

There's a great article about this very project called 'What Is “Escape Room” And Why Is It One Of My Top Genres On Spotify?'[0]

Long story short, the creator had to assign names to some of the clusters the algo spat out, Escape Room being one. Another example might include a cluster called Ninja, aptly named as it's _mostly_ made of artists from the Ninjatune label. Fascinating stuff.

[0] https://festivalpeak.com/what-is-escape-room-and-why-is-it-o...

Re: Every Noise at Once

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Post by monkpit »

robbiemitchell wrote: post #74

This site was such an eye opener for me when I found it a couple years ago. I had always wondered about this weird genre of electronic music I liked to listen to when working and create in my spare time, and it turns out to be called "Wave".

Glad to see someone mentioning Wave! I have had a Wave playlist created for a while now without knowing it was even a genre. Then, I googled one of the songs and found out that Øfdream died, and discovered the references to the genre name during that research. Feels bad.

Re: Every Noise at Once

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Post by svantana »

nkozyra wrote: post #72
svantana wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting that the newest genre on there is trap from 2010. I'm trying to think of newer styles, the only one I can come up with is the so-called "hyperpop" by PC Music, Sophie and 100 gecs. But that's been around since 2012 or so. I'm guessing it's a combination of factors: 1) Playlist culture negates the need for a clear taxonomy of music 2) It takes a few years of hindsight to recognize what is a real genre…

It's not up to date by any measure. There are new electronic genres popping up yearly, and usually it's the opposite of what you describe. Usually one artist does something new, quickly gets labeled and then the copycats start up. It's almost a branding exercise. Genres come and go as you say, and technically most genres are "hype" as they tend to last only briefly. There's nothing unique or new about that. I don't u…

Of course any style of music can get old and repetitive. But electronic music in particular has been very tied to the technological development of electronic instruments, from the moog modular and forward. A style like jungle/dnb was simply not possible before the advent of samplers and sequencers (well in theory you could do it with tape machines, but). Since about 2005 we can do "just about anything" with DAWs and plugins.

Re: Every Noise at Once

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Post by have_faith »

svantana wrote: post #46
samatman wrote: post #26

This means I have to pitch Ishkur's Guide to Electronic Music. https://music.ishkur.com Recently updated, it's a comprehensive history and map of electronic music. It's been around since 2000, played a big role in my life. Highly recommended.

It's interesting that the newest genre on there is trap from 2010. I'm trying to think of newer styles, the only one I can come up with is the so-called "hyperpop" by PC Music, Sophie and 100 gecs. But that's been around since 2012 or so. I'm guessing it's a combination of factors: 1) Playlist culture negates the need for a clear taxonomy of music 2) It takes a few years of hindsight to recognize what is a real genre…

> Playlist culture negates the need for a clear taxonomy of music

Very true. Playlist culture has the potential to organise and label sound aesthetics in ways that genres do not do justice. My playlists are labelled similarly like "Silk" (mostly smooth and deep house with elements of other electronic genres that fit the aesthetic). Silk is obviously not a genre but it's a valid taxonomy to me.

> It takes a few years of hindsight to recognize what is a real genre and not just marketing/hype

I think this has greatly shortened in recent years. I think new genres can be clearly defined on timescales of months or less although it's hard to verify the "legitimacy" of a new genre.

> Electronic music is "done"

There are lots of traditional folk genres and acoustic styles that don't have a clear synergy with electronic genres yet, I'm sure more will surface.

Re: Every Noise at Once

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Post by svantana »

input_sh wrote: post #58
svantana wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting that the newest genre on there is trap from 2010. I'm trying to think of newer styles, the only one I can come up with is the so-called "hyperpop" by PC Music, Sophie and 100 gecs. But that's been around since 2012 or so. I'm guessing it's a combination of factors: 1) Playlist culture negates the need for a clear taxonomy of music 2) It takes a few years of hindsight to recognize what is a real genre…

> I'm trying to think of newer styles Future bass (Illenium, Mura Masa), bass house (Habstrakt, Jauz, Matroda), g-house isn't new, but it recently became popular (Malaa, Bijou, Dr. Fresch), future house (Oliver Heldens, Martin Solveig, Don Diablo, Zonderling). Also I could swear Chris Lorenzo's and Chris Lake's songs in recent couple of years (especially under the Anti Up pseudonym) are forming their own thing.

Nice, those are all glaring omissions from the chart. Although if you trace them back, weren't most of them initiated in the early 2010's?

Re: Every Noise at Once

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Post by svantana »

spoctrial wrote: post #61
svantana wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For various reasons they are secretive about this, but the genre system is inherited from EchoNest which they acquired in 2014. EchoNest's main idea was to combine audio analysis with natural language processing and web scraping to categorize music. In fact the two founders were PhD's in each respective field. But nowadays I'm guessing they are utilizing their huge dataset of playlists to group artists under tags. Ob…

They are not that secretive, it's been written about several times. Long story short: a lot of it is still Glenn McDonald, the person behind everynoise, that was acquihired when they bought echonest. Here are a few articles about it (there are several more): https://artists.spotify.com/blog/how-spotify-discovers-the-g... https://www.thefader.com/2020/12/02/escape-room-genre-spotif... https://www.thestar.com/entertain…

Well, ideally your spotify artist page should contain the genres you're tagged with, along with some info of how that came to be, and even a way to request a change to those. But they don't want people to game the system, and also not let competitors know how they do things (I'm guessing).
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